CTP (S2EAprSpecial4) Frank Tull and Who's Really Holding Black America Down?

April 23, 2025

CTP (S2EAprSpecial4) Frank Tull and Who's Really Holding Black America Down?

ChristiTutionalist (TM) Politics

In this episode of ChristiTutionalist Politics, host Joseph M. Leonard interviews Pastor Frank Tull, a Black conservative Christian who challenges the victimhood mentality within the Black community. Tull shares his personal transformation from being a lifelong Democrat to a conservative, sparked by a moment of biblical reflection when he could not provide scriptural support for his previous political stance. He argues that the Democratic Party has been systematically holding Black Americans back by creating dependency through welfare programs and discouraging personal responsibility.

The conversation delves into biblical perspectives on work, poverty, and community support, with both Tull and Leonard emphasizing that biblical compassion is about helping those genuinely unable to help themselves, not enabling laziness. They discuss how programs that provide ongoing financial support without encouraging self-sufficiency perpetuate a cycle of dependency. Tull specifically calls out the Black community for continuously voting for Democratic leadership in cities and states, arguing that this political allegiance is a primary reason for their continued challenges.

Throughout the episode, the speakers assert that the issue of personal responsibility transcends race and is fundamentally about character. They argue that victimhood is a cultural Marxist construct designed to divide people and prevent individual growth. Leonard and Tull both stress the importance of Christians voting their faith, taking personal responsibility, and rejecting narratives that portray any group as perpetual victims, instead encouraging individuals to see themselves as potential victors capable of overcoming societal challenges.

Podcast Title

ChristiTutionalist (TM) Politics

Host

Joseph M. Lenard

Publish Date

April 23, 2025

Episode Notes

"GIVE FEEDBACK (no-reply-text (2-way comm: https://JosephMLenard.us/contact))" Pastor Frank Tull challenges the victimhood mentality in Black America while advocating for biblical values in politics and personal responsibility. This thought-provoking conversation examines the distinction between biblical community and communism, exploring how Christians can become victors rather than victims. • Frank shares his journey from being a "diehard Democrat" to a conservative Christian after being ch...
  1. Black conservatives argue that the Democratic Party has systematically kept Black Americans dependent through welfare programs that discourage personal initiative and economic independence

  2. From a biblical perspective, Christians should help those truly unable to care for themselves (widows, orphans, mentally disabled) but not enable those who refuse to work

  3. The concept of 'victimhood' is a divisive political strategy used to prevent people from taking personal responsibility and achieving their potential

  4. Biblical compassion involves both nurturing support and tough love that encourages personal growth, accountability, and self-sufficiency

  5. Racism is increasingly a manufactured construct used to maintain political divisions, rather than reflecting widespread systemic oppression in modern America

  6. Christians are called to judge actions and behaviors biblically while maintaining humility, contrary to popular misinterpretations of 'judge not' scripture

  7. Voting according to biblical principles and engaging in civic participation is a critical responsibility for Christians, not just passive prayer

  8. Personal character and willingness to work hard transcends racial categories and determines individual success

  1. "If a man doesn't want to work, he shouldn't eat. Jesus doesn't view the person who does not want to work as being poor. He views the widow, the orphan, person who cannot take care of themselves."  - Frank Tull

    - Provides a biblical perspective on poverty and welfare, challenging the contemporary understanding of social support

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  2. "Black people are the problem, because we continue to support the Democratic Party. They thrive and continue to be in the White House because we continue to support them."  - Frank Tull

    - A provocative statement challenging the political allegiance of the Black community and suggesting self-perpetuating systemic issues

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  3. "There's a firm side and there's a soft side to love. When you hug your kids and tell them they're perfect, that's one side of love. The other side is telling them, 'get off your backside, make that happen.'"  - Frank Tull

    - Offers a nuanced view of love that includes both compassion and tough accountability

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  4. "Racism itself is a cultural Marxist construct. We are but one human race."  - Joseph M. Leonard

    - Challenges the contemporary discourse on race and suggests a unifying perspective

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  5. "In Christ, are you a victor or are you gonna constantly let people continue to convince you you're a victim?"  - Joseph M. Leonard

    - A powerful call to personal empowerment and rejecting a narrative of helplessness

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Chapter 1: A Personal Journey: From Democrat to Conservative Christian

Frank Tull shares his personal transformation from being a lifelong Democrat to becoming a conservative Christian pastor. He describes how a pivotal moment during a debate challenged his political beliefs, prompting him to question his stance and ultimately shift his political perspective based on biblical principles.

  • Personal beliefs should be critically examined and supported by scriptural evidence.
  • Spiritual and political perspectives can evolve through honest self-reflection and biblical guidance.

Key Quotes

  1. "Someone asked me, can you give me a biblical example to support your stance?" by Frank Tull

    - This quote highlights the moment that triggered Frank's political and spiritual re-examination

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  2. "I would defend it. I thought I knew what I was talking about until I had a basically a road to Damascus moment" by Frank Tull

    - This quote illustrates his dramatic ideological transformation

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Chapter 2: Biblical Perspective on Poverty and Work

The discussion explores the biblical understanding of poverty, emphasizing the distinction between those genuinely unable to work and those choosing not to work. Frank Tull argues that biblical compassion is about helping those truly in need, not enabling laziness, and critiques government welfare programs that he believes discourage personal independence.

  • Biblical compassion distinguishes between those unable to work and those unwilling to work.
  • Welfare systems should encourage independence and personal growth, not perpetual dependency.

Key Quotes

  1. "Jesus doesn't view the person who does not want to work as being poor. He views the widow, the orphan, person who cannot take care of themselves." by Frank Tull

    - This quote clearly defines the biblical perspective on genuine need versus personal choice

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  2. "God wants us to use our gifts and our abilities so that we can see what purpose he put us here on this earth for." by Frank Tull

    - This quote emphasizes personal responsibility and divine purpose

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Chapter 3: Black America and Political Accountability

Frank Tull argues that Black Americans are perpetuating their own challenges by consistently supporting Democratic political candidates without critically examining their policies. He suggests that continued voting for Democratic leaders has not improved conditions in many Black communities and calls for a reevaluation of political allegiances.

  • Political change requires critically examining voting patterns and their actual community impacts.
  • Community progress depends on challenging existing narratives and seeking alternative perspectives.

Key Quotes

  1. "They thrive and continue to be in the White House because we continue to support them. They continue to be the mayors of these cities because we continue to vote for them." by Frank Tull

    - This quote directly challenges the political status quo within the Black community

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  2. "What I'm hoping will come from this is those people who listen to this... will share with their black friends that black America has got to stop." by Frank Tull

    - This quote reveals Tull's desire to spark conversation and change

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Chapter 4: Victimhood vs. Victor Mentality

The conversation emphasizes the importance of overcoming a victim mentality across all racial and cultural groups. Both speakers argue that focusing on victimhood prevents personal growth and community progress, advocating instead for a mindset of personal responsibility, character development, and individual agency.

  • Personal growth requires rejecting victimhood and embracing personal responsibility.
  • True compassion involves both supportive encouragement and honest, constructive feedback.

Key Quotes

  1. "Racism is a cultural Marxist construct. We are but one human race." by Joseph M. Leonard

    - This quote challenges divisive racial narratives and emphasizes human unity

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  2. "There's two sides to love. There's a firm side and then there's the soft side." by Frank Tull

    - This quote illustrates the nuanced nature of constructive criticism and genuine care

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Hello

gang,

a

brief

introduction

to

this

show.

Frank

Tal

will

be

joining

me

in

a

moment,

but

we

had

technical

difficulties

and

if

you're

seeing

behind

the

scenes

video,

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quick

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up.

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audio

will

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up.

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difficulties,

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hide

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couch.

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joke,

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can

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all

the

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and

everything

all

over.

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not

a

hoarder,

but

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am

a

slob,

as

you

can

see

on

the

video.

Okay,

let's

get

out

with

the

show

as

Graham

Norton

would

say.

Hello

everybody.

Welcome

to

another

episode

of

Constitutionalist

Politics.

Today

I

will

have

with

me

Frank

Tall.

Well,

before

I

bring

on

Frank

Tall,

you

all

know

my

lame

bad

humor.

So

yes,

of

course,

I've

already

given

him

a

hard

time

and

joked

about

whether

he

was

the

latest

member

of

Jethro

Tull

the

band.

Of

course

he's

not.

Or

maybe

a

direct

descendant

of

the

original

Jethro

Tall

the

band

was

named

after

that

created

the

combine.

If

I

have

my

history

correct,

something

for

the

farm.

At

any

rate,

I

don't

pay

that

much

attention

to

the

band

anymore.

So

that

kind

of

part

of

history

is

falling

out

my

ears

to

make

room

for

other

important

things.

But

yes,

Frank

Tall

reached

out

to

me

and

I'm

glad

he

did.

In

which

it

says,

frank

Tall,

is

Black

America

the

problem?

As

a

black

conservative

Christian,

I

can

provide

your

audience

with

a

different

perspective.

Christians

must

vote

their

faith

as

I

talk

about

on

this

show

all

the

time,

or

we

are

to

blame

for

the

result.

Yeah,

I

often

say

inaction

is

an

action.

If

you

don't

sow

good,

you

will

be

complicit

in

the

reaping

of

evil

that

follows.

America

needs

our

guidance,

not

our

submission.

Black

Christians

are

the

most

deceived.

Question

mark.

Let's

talk

about

it.

So

indeed,

let's

talk

about

it.

Welcome

to

the

show,

Frank.

Glad

to

have

you

here.

Frank Tull

Hey,

good

to

be

here.

Thanks

for

having

me

on.

I'll

tell

you

what.

I

don't

know

if

many

people

are

old

enough

to

get

the

Jethro

Tull

joke.

Joseph M. Lenard

Yeah,

some

of

this

audience

aren't.

Yeah,

yeah.

I

don't

know

if

Jethro

Tull

has

recorded

an

album

in

ages.

I

know

Ian

Anderson,

the

lead

singer

and

flute

player

has

been

recording

solo

stuff

that

might

go

past.

A

lot

of

people

try

to

be

educational.

Maybe

people

will

look

it

up

and

learn

some

history,

right?

Frank Tull

Hey,

there

we

go.

And

be

exposed

to

some

pretty

good

music

too.

Joseph M. Lenard

I

was

a

big

fan

while

growing

up.

The

first

concert

I

ever

went

to

friend

in

high

school

was

going

to

go

to

Jethro

Tull

Cobo

hall

back

when

in

Detroit.

The

bursting

out

live

tour

with

the

big

old

balloons

that

he

tossed

into

the

audience.

I

went

with

him.

His

parents

drove

us

up

to

Coble

hall,

dropped

off,

saw

the

concert,

picked

this

up

after

that.

But

at

any

rate,

we're

not

here

to

talk

music.

Right?

Let's

get

well

before

we

get

down

to

the

serious

stuff.

See

what

I

did

there?

Try.

Try

to

keep

it

clean

on

a

Christian

show,

right

about

black

America.

Tell

us

about

you.

Where

were

you

born

and

raised

and

where

you

are

now.

All

that

kind

of

nitty

gritty.

41

Us

old

folks

who

know

what.

Frank Tull

That

is,

man,

that's

funny.

411

is

now

old.

Isn't

that

something

that

used

to

be

what

we

said?

The

young

people

say

no.

Once

again,

thanks

for

having

me

on.

My

name

is

Frank

Tull.

I

was

born

in

New

York,

but

I

was

raised

here

in

Dallas,

Texas.

My

family

came

here

when

I

was

six

years

old.

So

I

consider

myself

a

Die

hard

Texan.

I'm

a

Die

hard

Cowboys

fan,

so

on

and

so

forth.

Joseph M. Lenard

Wait

a

minute.

Wait

a

Cowboys

fan.

This

discussion

is

over.

Just

kidding,

of

course.

Please

continue.

Frank Tull

I

tried

to

say

it

quickly

and

move

on

before

you

jumped

on

it

because

we're

having

a

tough

time

right

now

as

a

Cowboys.

But

anyway,

I'm

a

pastor.

I

started

a

church

here

in

Dallas

18

years

ago.

I

became

ordained

as

a

bishop

four

years

after

I

started

the

church.

So

I

am

actually

on

paper,

officially

a

bishop.

I

go

by

pastor.

It

travels

better.

Some

people,

especially

white

people

who

they

really

don't

get

the

whole

bishop

thing

if

you're

not

in

the

Catholic

Church.

And

so

I

normally

go

by

pastor,

but

I'm

not

caught

up

on

titles.

You

can

call

me

Frank,

no

worries.

Was

a

Die

hard

Democrat

all

of

my

life,

raised

Democrat.

My

mom

was

a

huge

Democrat.

We

didn't

talk

about

it.

It

was

this

is

what

you

are,

this

is

what

you're

going

to

be.

End

of

conversation.

All

the

way

through

my

20s,

I

was

a

strong

Democrat

and

would

actually

have

moments

of

banter

going

back

and

forth

with

Republicans

and

conservatives

and

I

would

debate

it

and

I

would

defend

it.

I

thought

I

knew

what

I

was

talking

about

until

I

had

a

basically

a

road

to

Damascus

moment

where

someone

asked

me,

can

you

give

me

a

biblical

example

to

support

your

stance?

Joseph M. Lenard

Amen.

Talk

about

community,

biblicalness,

free

will,

want

to

be

our

brother's

keeper

versus

communism,

which

is

forced

and

theft

all

the

time.

Big

difference.

Frank Tull

Big

difference.

Big

difference.

And,

and

I

find

that

now

when

I

ask

people

who

are

Democrats

that

say

they're

Christians,

I

I

ask

them,

you

know,

can

you

give

me

the

scriptures?

But

I

don't

want

to

get

ahead

of

it.

Of

our

conversation

began

to

debate

and

I

found

myself,

you

know,

oh,

earth.

Joseph M. Lenard

To

Frank,

you

seem

to

have

froze

up.

Let's

see

if

that

clears

up.

Frank Tull

You

know,

standing

flat

footed

couldn't

defend

what

I

publican.

Joseph M. Lenard

You

froze

there

for

a

second,

but

I

think

it

picked

right

back

up

in

the

sentence

you

were,

you

were

telling

her

saying

so

we'll

be

okay.

I'll

try

to

clean

that

up

in

the

audio

part.

And

in

fact

let

me

make

myself

a

note

again,

the

lame

humor.

So

three

things.

One,

better

to

be

the

bishop

than

the

pawn,

right?

Throw

a

chess

joke

in

there.

You're

a

pastor,

not

a

presentor

a

presenter.

But

I'm

bump.

Right?

And

then,

and

then

the

other

one

is

you're

Frank

Toll,

but

you're

here

to

be

totally

earnest.

How

many

times

have

you

heard

that

joke?

Right?

I

know

you

will

have

heard

it

a

million

times,

but

again,

I

can

never

pass

on

the

lame

stupid

humor

and

word

play

no

matter

how

corny

it

is.

But

indeed,

at

any

rate,

y,

you

nailed

it.

The

show

Christitutionalists

talk

about

it

all

the

time,

Biblical

community.

And

we

can

point

to

all

kinds

of

scriptural

references

that

make

that

point.

They

cannot.

Regarding

communism.

Jesus

was

not

a

socialist.

Render

unto

Caesar

other

than

Matthew

7

is

the

second

most

twisted

and

distorted

out

of

context

thing

there

is.

Jesus

didn't

say

hand

over

everything

to

Caesar.

Right?

We

are

as

Christians

to

be

our

brother's

keeper,

to

take

care

of

widows

and

orphans

through

our

free

will

biblical

community.

We

are

to

want

to

do

that,

not

be

forced

to

do

that.

And

we

will

be

judged

whether

we

do

do

it

or

not.

Yes.

Stay

with

us.

We'll

be

right

back.

Joseph M. Lenard

Joseph

M.

Leonard,

host

of

Christitutionals,

taking

a

brief

moment

to

thank

myarchic.com

Together

we

share

the

Christian

and

family

value

of

honoring

family.

Myarchit.com

helps

you

do

that.

Preserving

family

memories

online

also,

therefore

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be

shared

online.

Think

of

my

archetype

like

a

Noah's

ark.

For

images,

audio,

video,

preserving,

honoring

your

family.

Thank

you

again

to

the

folks

over@myar.com.

Frank Tull

That

is

correct.

Joseph M. Lenard

There

you

go.

Frank Tull

And,

you

know,

you

just,

you

really

touched

on

something.

I

don't

know

what

direction

you

want

to

go

in,

but

when

they

start

talking

about

that,

the

Trump

and

the

Republicans

don't

want

to

help

poor

people.

That's

because

they

don't

understand

the

biblical

definition

of

poor.

Jesus

said

that

if

a

man

doesn't

want

to

work,

he

shouldn't

eat.

See,

Jesus

doesn't

view.

And

the

Bible

never

views

the

person

who

does

not

want

to

work

as

being

poor.

He

views

the

widow,

the

orphan,

person

who

cannot

take

care

of

themselves.

That's

who

we're

supposed

to

help.

The

guy

who

does

not

want

to

do

anything,

does

not

want

to

work,

has

a

lazy

spirit

upon

him.

That.

That's

not

the

person

we're

supposed

to

give

our

alms

to.

That's

the

person

we're

supposed

to

give

instruction,

advice

and

direction

to.

Now,

somebody

who

is

mentally

unstable,

that's

different.

Yeah,

we

should

help

them.

But

the

widow,

the

orphan,

the

person

who

cannot

take

care

of

himself,

that's

who

we're

supposed

to

take

care

of.

So

the

Democrats

beat

up

Donald

Trump

because

he

doesn't

have

that

passion

to

just

help

everybody.

No,

he

wants

to

create

an

avenue

where

we

can

help

ourselves.

And

that

is

the

Bible

in

a

nutshell.

That,

that

God

wants

us

to

use

our

gifts

and

our

abilities

so

that

we

can

see

what

God

put

us

here,

the

purpose

that

he

put

us

here

on

this

earth

for.

And

that's

why

I

say

black

people

are

the

problem,

because

we

continue

to

support

the

Democratic

Party.

They

thrive

and

continue

to

be

in

the

White

House

because

we

continue

to

support

them.

They

continue

to

be

the

mayors

of

these

cities

because

we

continue

to

vote

for

them.

They

continue

to

be

the

governors

of

these

cities

because

we

continue

to

vote

for

them.

We

are

the

problem

and

we've

got

to

wake

up.

Joseph M. Lenard

I

don't

want

to

say

amen

to

that

because

if

I,

as

a

white

guy

agree

with

you,

they'll

call

me

racist.

Of

course.

Frank Tull

And

that's

true,

but

it's

sad.

It's

sad

but

true

that

you

can't

say

anything.

Barack

Obama

can

stand

out

there

and

tell

black

guys,

hey,

you

need

to

vote

for

Kamala

because

she's

black,

but

if

you

were

to

tell,

hey,

you

need

to

vote

for

Trump

because

he's

white.

Joseph M. Lenard

Heads

would

be

exploding.

Yeah,

it

is

no

less

racist

what

Barack

did.

Or

as

I

call

Obama,

he's

more

a

Maoist

than

he

is

an

American

capitalist,

free

market

guy.

A

constitutionalist

for

sure.

But

yeah,

back

to

point

of

what

you

said

Atlas

Shrugged

and

ran.

Right.

Like

the

Bradford

Colony.

It's

why

we

tried

communism

before

the

word

was

even

created

and

Karl

Marx

came

along

and

it

failed

because

as

Jesus

said,

the

poor

will

always

be

among

you.

That's

not

an

economic

statement.

It's

not

a

governance

statement.

It

is

as

you

laid

out,

there

will

always

be

some

who

refuse

to

do

anything

for

themselves

and

biblically,

we

don't

have

obligation

to

them.

Frank Tull

That's

right.

I

know

you've

heard

this

example

before,

have

one

person

pulling

a

wagon

or

two

people

pulling

a

wagon

and

two

people

riding

in

the

wagon.

It's

only

a

matter

of

time

before

everybody

says,

hey,

why

can't

I

sit

in

the

wagon?

Why

do

I

have

to

be

the

one

pulling

the

wagon?

And

then

before

you

know

it,

everybody's

sitting

in

the

wagon

and

the

wagon's

not

going

anywhere.

That's

what

happens

in

society

when

you

try

to

have

a

communist

society

is

people

start

saying

why

should

I

be

a

doctor

and

go

to

school

and

get

all

the

education

when

I'm

going

to

make

the

same

amount

of

money

if

I

didn't

do

it,

if

I,

if

I'm

just

the

janitor.

That's

why

it

does

not

work.

And

here

in

America,

that's

why

we're

in

such

a

bad

shape.

Because

we

put

so

much

money

into

programs

that

don't

encourage

people

to

get

off

of

the

program,

to

get

out

of

the

program,

to,

to

start

their

own

thing,

to

be

more

independent.

It

encourages

them

self

replicating.

It

encourages

them

to

stay

on

it.

The

more

kids

you

have,

the

more

money

you

get.

Joseph M. Lenard

Amen.

I,

I

agree

with

you

wholeheartedly.

Exactly.

The

left

measures

their

fake

compassion,

which

is

really

about

power

and

control

over

people

buying

votes.

If

you

constantly

give

them

things,

they'll

vote

for

you.

Right?

Teach

a

man

to

fish,

you

know,

he

becomes

self

sufficient.

But

if

you

keep

giving

them

somebody

else's

fish,

they'll

vote

Democrat.

Right?

And

again,

back

to

the

Bradford

colony.

Exactly.

We're

talking

human

nature.

This

isn't

new.

This

is

for

all

time

since

the

creation

of

man

happened

and

we

fell

part

of

our

poor

character,

as

Martin

Luther

King

Jr.

Would

say,

Many's

poor

character

side

of

wanting

to

be

lazy

and

just

be

taken

care

of.

And

like

I've

said,

the

Bradford

colony,

same

thing

exactly.

More

and

more

felt

they

could

climb

in

the

cart

and

still

get

the

quote

unquote

left

wing

communist

term

equitable

share,

even

if

they

did

nothing.

And

as

you

said,

less

and

less

people

decided

why

am

I

working

so

hard

to

pull

the

cart,

got

in

the

cart

and

indeed

the

cart

wouldn't

go.

Thankfully,

Bradford

was

still

in

charge.

Ditched

the

Mayflower

Communist

compact,

instituted

individual

rights

and

freedoms

over

collectivism,

private

property,

all

those

things

that

went

on

to

make

America

the

greatest

leader

of

all

nations

of

our

time.

Yes,

yes.

Frank Tull

I

don't

know

the

demographics

of

your

audience.

If

I

had

to

guess,

I'd

probably

say

it's

majority

white.

What

I'm

hoping

will

come

from

this

is

those

people

who

listen

to

this

who

are

white,

those

people

who

listen

to

this

who

are

Indian,

those

people

listening

to

this

that

are

Hispanic,

they're.

They're

non

black

that

they

will

share

with

their

black

friends.

Hey,

either

have

them

listen

to

this

or

say

it

to

them

that

black

America

has

got

to.

Joseph M. Lenard

Oh,

froze

up

again.

Black

America

has

got

to

stop.

As

he

said,

I'm

filling

in

until

he

unfreezes

again.

He's

still

frozen.

And

of

course

in

the

audio

I'll

clean

some

of

this

up

but

for

the

video

behind

the

scenes,

you

get

it

as

it

happens.

Kind

of

raw,

uncut

here.

Still

waiting

for

Frank

to

unfreeze.

Hopefully

to

not

an

ongoing

problem,

but

indeed,

as

I

say,

I

don't

know

if

Frank

could

hear

me

or

not.

I'm

going

to

keep

going

here.

Has

nothing.

Nothing.

Martin

Luther

King

Jr.

Content

of

character.

Character

matters.

And

Frank

bounced

off.

Hopefully

he'll

try

coming

back

in.

Doesn't

matter.

Black,

white

or

pink,

polka

dotted.

This

has

to

do

with

personal

character

versus

victimhood.

I

am

a

victor.

Or

are

you

a

victim

as

Frank

was?

I

don't

mean

to

put

words

in

his

mouth,

but

I

think

it's

safe

to

say

where

he

was

going

with

that.

We'll

just

kind

of

hang

out

here.

Pause

if

you

see

a

cut

in

the

video.

I'm

going

to

hang

out

a

while,

do

nothing.

Hopefully

Frank

jumps

back

in.

Try

to

give

Frank

another

minute

or

two

to

potentially

come

back

in

or

we'll

have

to

wrap

up

and

make

this

a

really

short

show.

Since

Frank's

not

back

is

enough

to

reiterate

point

I've

made

all

along.

This

has

nothing

to

do

with

skin

Tone,

this

has

to

do

with

content

of

character.

There

are

lazy

people

among

all

the

groups,

all

the

tribes,

all

the

subcultures

of

humanity.

And

as

I

spoke

with

Kevin

McGarry,

founder,

co

founder

of

Every

Black

Life

Matters,

racism

itself

is

a

cultural

Marxist

construct.

It

was

created

not

that

long

ago

because

we

are

but

one

human

race.

I'm

doing

that

again

with

both

hands,

one

hand,

one

finger.

We

are

but

one

human

race.

We

are

indeed,

yes,

some

subcultures

and

subclasses

from

various

different

regions,

but

we

are

all

one

human

race.

Racism

is

a

cultural

Marxist

construct.

And

idiocy

meant

by

the

left,

by

the

Marxists,

by

the

communists,

by

the

Maoists,

the

commifashi

blend

that

is

the

left

today.

To

divide

and

conquer.

In

Christ,

are

you

a

victor

or

are

you

gonna

constantly

let

people

continue

to

convince

you

you'

a

victim?

And

it's

the

same

thing

with

anti

Semitism.

I

had

this

conversation

the

other

day

with

somebody

blaming

an

entire

subculture

for

your

inability

to

get

your

act

together

and

accomplish

anything

is

dodging

it's

deflection.

Yet

to

blame

all

Jewish

people.

You

know

the

trope,

there's

a

Jew

behind

every

corner

and

under

every

rock,

somehow

keeping

you

down.

Like

they've

got

nothing

better

to

do

in

life

but

to

sit

around

and

conspire

and

spy

on

you

and

hold

you

down.

And

sadly,

somewhat

true,

not

a

broad

brush

here.

I'm

not

talking

about

all

black

people,

but

indeed,

as

Frank

was

speaking

to

some

in

the

black

community

and

the

victimhood

mentality,

even

today,

oh,

there's

a

white

guy

under

every

rock

and

around

every

corner,

behind

every

tree.

All

they

got

to

do

all

day

is

to

spy

on

you

and

conspire

to

hold

you

down.

It

can

be

a

convenient

excuse.

Again

in

Christ,

are

you

going

to

attempt

to

become

a

victor

or

do

you

just

want

to

continue

to

listen

to

white

leftist

liberals

who

want

to

keep

you

down?

They

are

the

ones

really

holding

you

back

and

constantly

trying

to

convince

you

you're

a

victim.

You

need

white

liberals

or

you

don't

amount

to

anything.

And

that's

bull.

In

this

country

we

have

freedom

of

opportunity,

equal

opportunity.

And

yes,

yes,

yes,

of

course

there

are

some

bigoted

people

out

there

still,

of

course,

not

denying

that,

not

in

the

least.

But

the

degree

today

compared

to

what

it

was

50

years

ago.

Come

on.

I

mean,

do

you

not

see

it?

The

Jussie

Smollett

hoax

and

other

hoaxes.

It

is

so

hard

to

find

nowadays

that

the

left

has

to

manufacture

it

to

keep

you

upset,

to

keep

people

divided.

When

are

we

going

to

all

Wake

up

and

come

together.

As

Frank

was

saying.

Listen

back.

I'm

not

putting

words

in

his

mouth.

He

didn't

have

the

time

to

reiterate

some

of

these

things.

Things.

But

indeed

we're

on

the

same

page

here.

And

it's

not

just

as

Frank

was

talking

about.

He

was

addressing

some

in

the

black

community.

It's

the

same

in

the

white

community.

Some

people

lazy,

don't

ever

want

to

do

anything.

Also

try

to

claim

victimhood

in

some

cases.

White

racist,

constantly

blaming

black

people

for

somehow

causing

them

to

fail.

It's

absurd.

It's

ridiculous

in

our

modern

day

and

age

to

use

the

cultural

Marxist

construct.

Yes,

there

are

still

some

racists

out

there.

Again,

check

the

Kevin

McGarry

Every

Black

Lives

Matter

episode

to

go

along

in

conjunction

with

this.

Apologies

for

the

video.

I

think

I'm

going

to

just

go

ahead

and

leave

in

as

I've

said

before,

raw,

uncut,

you,

me,

low

key

part

of

the

reality

that

you

get

here.

Okay,

thank

you

all.

Take

care.

God

bless.

Okay.

Welcome

back.

Frank

Tull.

Apologies,

had

some

technical

difficulties.

I

tried

rambling

a

bit

waiting

for

Frank

to

come

back

so.

But

here

we

are.

Okay.

Continuing.

While

you

were

gone

Frank,

I

was

rambling.

This

isn't

a

black

thing

or

a

white

thing

or

people

with

pink

polka

dotted

skin

thing.

All

subclasses

have

lazy

people

who

will

just

claim

victimhood

rather

than

try

do

better

for

themselves.

Yes.

Whites

who

blame

blacks,

blacks

who

blame

whites,

bunch

of

people

who

are

anti

semitic

and

blame

Jews.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Right.

This

is

kind

of

the

bottom

line

we're

dealing

with

here.

Frank Tull

100

but

what

I

was

saying

is.

Well,

first

of

all,

let

me

address

that.

You're

right.

No

matter

who

it

is,

Indian,

Puerto

Rican,

it

doesn't

matter.

There's

going

to

be

some

people.

That's

why

like

you

said

earlier,

God

said

the

poor

will

be

with

us

always

because

they're

going

to

be

some

people

always

going

to

be

lazy

who

have

no

desire

be

the

one

doing

all

the

work.

They

want

to

let

other

people

do

the

work.

And

I

don't

care

if

it's

adults

or

children.

There

are

kids

in

the

house

who

don't

want

to

do

anything.

I

have

five

kids

and

out

of

my

five

there

are

two

of

them.

I

got

to

keep

pushing

them.

I

got

to

keep

pushing

them

or

else

they'll

let

everybody

else

do

all

the

work.

Joseph M. Lenard

It's

being

a

good

Christian

parent

to

let

them

know

no,

you

don't

get

to

beg

out

of

everything

and

be

lazy.

Reality

is

going

to

hit

you

when

you're

an

adult

eventually.

You

got

to

get

off

your

hindsight

and

do

things.

Frank Tull

That's

right.

You

know,

the

generation

now,

they

don't

do

that.

They.

They

don't

make

kids

mow

the

grass.

Mom's

out

there

mowing

the

grass

or

she

pays

somebody

to

mow

the

grass

or

she

doesn't

make

the

kids

wash

the

dishes.

She'll

wash

them

or.

And

that's

why

we've

got

what

we've

got

in

this.

Joseph M. Lenard

So

many

irresponsible

young

adults.

Yes.

Not

painting

a

broad

brush.

I'm

not

saying

the

whole

Z

generation

or

whatever.

I

joke.

I

joke.

The

Y

generation,

as

in

why

are

you

here

and

you're

worthless.

It's

a

joke.

It's

true

of

some,

not

all.

I'm

just

kidding.

Right,

but

making

a

point

as

you

are

100.

Frank Tull

We're

in

a

society

now

where

people

don't

want

you

to

criticize,

people

don't

want

you

to

say

anything

about

them.

So

it's

not

being

uncovered.

Not

being

uncovered

that

this

is

a

problem.

We've

got

to

stop

doing

everything

for

everyone

and

we've

got

to

start

making

demands

on

people.

I

was

able

to,

you

know,

earn

a

college

football

scholarship

where

a

lot

of

my

friends

weren't.

Because

at

night

I

was

working

out.

In

the

afternoon

I

was

working

out.

On

weekends

I

was

working

out.

I

was

willing

to

do

what

was

needed.

But

there

were

a

lot

of

guys.

Joseph M. Lenard

Who

were

not

that

in

Christ.

You

were

going

to

be

a

victim

Door,

not

a

victim.

Frank Tull

Amen.

Joseph M. Lenard

I

hate

quoting

Joel

Olsteen

there

because

his

church

I

consider

more

a

church

of

woke,

a

humanist

club.

You

can't

just

preach

the

fun

stuff

of

the

Bible.

You've

got

to

preach

like

this

show

does.

The

tough

love

parts.

Also

the

money

changer

table

throwing

over

the

Matthew

calling

people

snakes

and

vipers

and

children

of

hell

and

false

guides.

Right.

Fake

Christians

today,

as

I

share

a

meme,

often

would

call

Christ

a

pharisee

and

too

judgmental

and

reject

him.

Right.

It's

judge

not

really.

It's

condemned

not.

I

think

we

already

covered

this

because

there's

more

to

Matthew

7

than

those

first

seven

words

and

other

scriptures

that

tell

you

to

judge

all

equally

biblically,

including

yourself.

Remove

the

log

from

your

own

eye.

Right.

So

yes,

we

are

supposed

to

judge

biblically.

People

want

to

leave

all

that.

As

my

friend

Pastor

Sean

Todd

of

WHAM

Radio

often

says

on

his

the

Intersection

show.

He

likes

to

say,

not

your

normal

fluffy

Christian

show.

And

he's

right.

They

want

the

peace,

love,

sing

Kumbaya

around

the

fire

all

day,

every

day,

all

night.

Long,

the

toga

wearing,

sandal

wearing,

hippie

hacky

sack.

Jesus.

Want

to

leave

out

the

tough

love

parts.

And

that's

not

dealing

with

the

whole

Bible.

Yes,

correct.

Frank Tull

Well,

the

thing

is

that

there's

just

one

love,

but

there's

two

sides

to

love.

There's

a

firm

side

and

then

there's

the

soft

side

there.

Frank Tull

There's.

Frank Tull

When

you

hug

your

kids

and

tell

them

they're

perfect,

they're

beautiful,

they're

amazing.

That's

one

side

of

love.

And

then

the

other

side

of

love

is

telling

them,

hey,

get

off

your

backside.

Make

that

happen.

Hey,

you're

eating

wrong.

I

need

you

to

eat

better,

I

need

you

to

exercise,

I

need

you

to

take

care

of

yourself.

See

that,

that

it's

all

love.

But

there's

a

tough

side

to

love

that

people

don't

want

to

embrace.

I

had

a

conversation

with

a

woman,

we

were

debating

the

same

issue.

And,

and

she

was

saying

that

Trump

is

too

judgmental,

the

Republicans

are

too

judgmental,

and

that

the

Bible

says

we

shouldn't

judge.

And

I

said,

I

said,

I'm

not,

you

know,

trying

to

throw

this

in

your

face,

but

have

you

ever

actually

read

the

chapter

yourself

or

did

you

just

hear

somebody

say

the

Bible

says.

And

she's

like,

oh,

you're

trying

to

embarrass

me.

I

said,

no,

no,

no.

I'm

a

pastor.

I've

read

the

whole

Bible

a

bunch

of

times.

It's

not

about

that.

I

said,

the

reason

why

I

see,

God

will

give

you

revelation.

When

you

read

it

yourself,

he'll

give

you

revelation

for

yourself.

And

I

said

exactly

what

you

just

said.

The

Bible

never

says

don't

judge

it.

Joseph M. Lenard

It.

Frank Tull

The

Bible

tells

us

that

by

the

same

measure

that

you

judge,

you'll

be

judged.

And,

and

I'm

okay

with

that.

The

Bible

also

tells

us

that

take

the

log

out

of

your

eye

before

you

take

the

speck

out

of

someone

else's.

Take

it

out,

but

make

sure

that

you're

looking

from

the

right

perspective,

that

you're

not

perfect

either.

If

a

man

who

is

50

years

old

says

he

wants

to

marry

a

woman

who's

20

years

old

and

that

that

woman

is

his

daughter,

is

it

okay

for

him

to

marry

her?

Joseph M. Lenard

Judgmental.

Frank Tull

She

goes,

no,

it's

not

okay.

What

if

he's

been

fixed

so

he

can't

get

her

pregnant?

No,

it's

not

okay.

Exactly

what

I

told

you.

You're

being

judgmental.

Joseph M. Lenard

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's

why

I

say

over

and

over,

it's

not

coincidental.

And

it's

not

at

all

ironic

really,

that

Matthew

7,

they

will

only

take

the

first

seven

words.

Judge

not

lest

ye

be

judged.

Read

the

rest

of

the

sentence.

Frank Tull

That's

good.

Joseph M. Lenard

That's

good,

right?

That's

exactly

what

we're

talking

about

here.

So

I'm

glad

you

came

back.

We

certainly

had

a

lot

more

productive

discussion

here.

I

try

to

keep

shows

30

minutes.

I

don't

know

where

we're

at

now

with

all

the

technical

difficulties,

but

I

think

we

covered

a

lot

and

pretty

much

what

we

needed

to.

Anyways,

let's

go

ahead

and

wrap

it

up.

Do

you

have

a

website

or

where

could

people

reach

out

to

you

at?

Frank Tull

Well,

they

can

buy

my

book.

It's

Bishop

Frank

S

Told.

Actually

the

book

title

is

Pastor

Frank

as

tall

is

the

name

on

there

and

it's

Christians

Must

Vote.

Christians

Must

Vote.

They

can

get

it

on

Amazon.

I'm

on

Instagram,

I'm

on

Facebook

and.

Joseph M. Lenard

It'S

Bishop

F.

Toll

can

make

sure

I

get

that

in

the

show

notes.

Thank

you.

Let's

not

end.

I

talk

about

all

the

time

on

this

show.

30

to

50

million

supposed

Christians

are

neither

registered

or

are

registered

and

don't

vote.

So

I

talk

what

you're

talking

about

in

Christians

Must

Vote

also.

So

thank

you.

I'm

glad

forgot

with

all

the

difficulties

here

to

bring

up

the

book.

Hopefully

people

check

that

out

because

indeed

2

Chronicles

7:14

even

pray.

Yes,

but

no,

it's

not

enough.

It's

not

only

what

to

do

because

it

then

goes

on

to

say

turn

from

wicked

ways.

I

shall

hear

help

heal

your

land.

Turn

means

we

all

have

to

get

off

our

butts

and

do

things.

You

must

sow

to

reap

shall

be

known

by

fruit,

not

your

online

hot

air

rhetoric

that

does

nothing.

Are

you

doing

things

because

yes,

you

will

be

judged,

as

the

Rush

song

says,

if

you

choose

not

to

decide,

you

still

have

made

a

choice.

Right?

Inaction

is

an

action

of

itself

and

you

are

complicit

in

the

evil

you

allow

sown

that

we

all

reap

100%.

And

I'm

going

to

say

brother.

And

I

know

there'll

be

people

freaking,

oh

my

God,

the

white

guy

called

the

black

guy

a

brother.

We

have

brothers

and

sisters

in

Christ,

you

know,

to

make

another

point

because

I

know

when

this

show

drops,

there'll

be

leftist

loons

out

there.

Oh

my

God.

Did

you

hear?

What?

Trying

to

distort

what

we've

talked

about

here

out

of

context.

Frank Tull

That's

right.

Joseph M. Lenard

All

right,

thank

you,

Frank.

Take

care.

God

bless.

Frank Tull

God

bless.

Frank Tull

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for

having

me

on.

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