CTP (S2EAprSpecial6) Paper Over Power: Defending Liberty Through Affidavit Law

April 30, 2025

CTP (S2EAprSpecial6) Paper Over Power: Defending Liberty Through Affidavit Law

ChristiTutionalist (TM) Politics

In this episode of ChristiTutionalist Politics, host Joseph M. Leonard interviews Kirk Beck, an engineer and legal enthusiast who has developed expertise in using affidavits and legal strategies to challenge government actions. Beck shares his background growing up in South Dakota, working for Shell Oil, and eventually settling in California, where he became passionate about understanding constitutional principles and individual rights.

Beck discusses his upcoming book 'Officer Hansen, Compassion in Blue' and shares a fascinating story about his approach to teaching and motivating a passive student named Doug, demonstrating his belief in personal accountability and motivation. He also delves into his experiences with traffic tickets and court proceedings, explaining his method of using detailed, notarized affidavits to challenge legal actions and hold government officials accountable.

A central theme of the discussion is the importance of citizens understanding their rights and actively engaging with the legal system. Beck emphasizes the concept of 'power of paper', explaining how carefully crafted affidavits can be used to challenge statutory jurisdictions and protect individual liberties. He argues that people should view themselves as the ultimate authority, not elected officials, and use legal tools to defend their rights.

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Podcast Title

ChristiTutionalist (TM) Politics

Host

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Publish Date

April 30, 2025

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  1. Kirk Beck advocates for using affidavits and the 'power of paper' as a legal strategy to hold government officials accountable and protect individual rights

  2. Beck believes in challenging statutory jurisdiction by understanding the difference between common law and statutes, emphasizing that not all government-created rules are legitimate laws

  3. Through personal experience, Beck demonstrates how carefully crafted legal documents (affidavits) can successfully challenge traffic tickets and other minor legal issues

  4. Beck's approach to education and parenting, illustrated through his story about a student named Doug, emphasizes setting clear rules and holding individuals accountable for their actions

  5. The conversation highlights the core principle that 'we the people' are the true authority in government, not elected officials, and citizens must actively engage to protect their liberties

  6. Beck's background as an engineer and school administrator has informed his approach to understanding and challenging legal systems through systematic and strategic methods

  7. The podcast promotes a 'Christitutionalist' perspective that seeks to interpret governance through constitutional principles and Christian values

  1. "We the people are the real bosses and we gotta stop being so lazy and refusing, like Doug, to have any initiative to do anything for themselves."  - Joseph M. Leonard

    - Captures the core message about individual responsibility and civic engagement. Reflects a key theme of the podcast about citizens taking active role in governance.

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  2. "The country was birthed because men and women were willing to bleed for liberty."  - Kirk Beck

    - Powerful historical perspective that emphasizes the sacrificial nature of freedom and challenges contemporary passivity

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  3. "Why not use paper rather than guns?"  - Kirk Beck

    - A succinct, provocative quote that summarizes Beck's approach to civic resistance through legal and administrative processes

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  4. "When we the people are armed with the law and can use it judiciously, then we can gain great latitude and increase in liberty, wherever we are."  - Kirk Beck

    - Encapsulates the episode's core message about civic empowerment through legal knowledge and strategic engagement

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  5. "There's such a thing as color of law. There's such a thing as legislation that's not constitutional. Therefore, it's not law. It's a statute."  - Kirk Beck

    - A nuanced legal perspective that challenges blind adherence to governmental regulations and emphasizes constitutional primacy

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Chapter 1: Introduction and Personal Background

Kirk Beck introduces himself, discussing his origins in South Dakota, his education in engineering, and his journey through different states including Colorado and California. He shares insights into his diverse experiences and his growing interest in law, politics, and American exceptionalism.

  • Kirk Beck's background spans multiple states, with a strong engineering foundation and deep interest in constitutional principles.
  • His perspective challenges simplified political narratives by emphasizing the diversity within states like California.

Key Quotes

  1. "It is not the American people. It is a system of government that our founding fathers gave us that is unique in the history of the world." by Kirk Beck

    - Captures his core belief in the exceptional nature of the American governmental system

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  2. "California has 58 counties and most of them are red. We have 40 plus sheriffs that don't have any time for our governor." by Kirk Beck

    - Highlights the political complexity within California beyond its stereotypical liberal reputation

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Chapter 2: The Power of Paper: Legal Strategies

Kirk Beck explains his approach to legal challenges, particularly traffic tickets, using an affidavit strategy learned from Jack and Margie Flynn. He describes how careful documentation and strategic communication can help individuals challenge legal proceedings effectively.

  • Carefully crafted, notarized affidavits can be a powerful tool for challenging legal proceedings, especially in traffic-related cases.
  • Understanding the difference between statutory jurisdiction and common law can provide individuals with more effective legal strategies.

Key Quotes

  1. "You have 30 days to rebut with particularity specific to what I put into my affidavit. Otherwise, everything in it can be used against you in any court in the United States." by Kirk Beck

    - Illustrates the precise legal strategy of challenging authorities through documented communication

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  2. "He has combined with others, has subjected us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution... given his ascent to acts of pretended legislation." by Thomas Jefferson

    - Provides historical context for challenging governmental overreach

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Chapter 3: Parenting the Passive Rebel

Kirk Beck shares a personal story about mentoring a student named Doug, demonstrating an innovative approach to motivating unmotivated students. He illustrates how structured accountability and consistent rules can help transform a passive rebel into a productive individual.

  • Effective mentorship requires consistent, principled approaches that create natural consequences for inaction.
  • Passive rebellion can be transformed through patient, structured guidance that respects the individual's intelligence.

Key Quotes

  1. "According to the Bible. If a man does not work, neither does he eat." by Kirk Beck

    - Highlights the core principle of motivation he used with Doug

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  2. "The worst thing you can do is ignore it. Just a lot of parents just ignore the problem." by Kirk Beck

    - Emphasizes the importance of active parental intervention

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A

show

based

on

the

facts,

honesty,

the

man,

the

myth,

the

legend.

Christitutionalist

Joseph

M.

Leonard.

Joseph M. Lenard

Welcome

to

Institutionalist

Politics

Podcast,

AKA

C

ctp.

I

am

your

host,

Joseph

M.

Leonard

and

that's

L

E

N

A

R

D.

CTP

is

your

no

muss,

no

fuss,

just

me,

you

and

occasional

guest

type

podcast.

Really

appreciate

you

tuning

in.

Graham

Norton

will

say,

let's

get

on

with

the

show.

Hello

everyone.

I

have

with

me

today

Kirk

Bettie,

AKA

Captain

Kirk.

No,

not

William

Shatner

or

Patrick

Stewart

or

oh

I

forget

the

guy

from

Quantum

Leap.

I

really

loved

him

in

the

Enterprise

version

as

Captain

Kirk,

but

none

of

them.

Kirk

back

and

we'll

get

into

why

he's

here.

But

first

I

had

asked

him

how

he

was

doing

and

he

went

into

a

story

of

how

he

was

in

out

campaigning

today.

And

also

a

story

about

how

he'd

been

to

Detroit.

Since

this

is

Detroit

based,

so

let's

let

him

go

into

that.

How

you

doing

today,

Kirk?

Kirk Beck

I'm

doing

well.

Boy,

you've

got

a

lot

of

energy

there.

I'm

going

to

enjoy

this.

I

can

tell.

Joseph M. Lenard

So

you

were

out

campaigning

for

who?

Kirk Beck

Well,

David

Serpa

is

running

for

Congress

out

here

in

the

39th

congressional

district

and

we're

trying

to

convey

to

people

it's

not

left,

it's

not

right.

It's

uniting

together

on

the

things

that

we

should

share

in

common,

like

why

aren't

we

dealing

with

water?

We

have

a

drought

in

California.

Joseph M. Lenard

Self

induced

by

eating

policy.

But

yes,

so

yeah,

oh,

I

agree.

And

I

like

what

Reagan

said.

I

put

it

in

my

constitutionalist

book

in

the

intro

of

why

I

was

inspired

to

write

it.

Reagan,

I

created

the

Christitutionalist

term

because

left,

right,

conservative,

liberal,

all

have

knee

jerk

negative

connotations

to

them

now.

So

I

created

Christitutionalist

politics.

Are

you

a

Christian?

Then

here

is

the

Bible

and

how

it

should

apply.

All

right,

full

context,

not

warping

one

scripture

or

another.

And

Reagan

said,

I

don't

want

to

hear

left,

right,

I

want

up

down.

And

I

agree

with

them.

Does

it

lift

up

we

the

people

or

does

it

lift

up

the

government

and

downtrodden

our

rights?

I

agree.

Sounds

like

you

agree.

Kirk Beck

No,

you

preach

it,

you're

doing

a

good

job.

I

could

listen

to

you

for

a

while.

Joseph M. Lenard

And

also

while

you

were

in

the

green

room,

before

I

hit

record,

you

were

in

Detroit.

Go

ahead

and

give

us

that

story.

Kirk Beck

Wow.

I

tell

you,

I.

I

started

writing

a

book

10

years

ago

about

a

fictional

police

officer

who

loves

people

and

treats

everybody

with

respect.

And

I

made

these

stories

up

for

my

son,

because

I've

always

been.

Ever

since

the

Vietnam

War,

I've

been

very

anti

war.

And

my

wife

would

say,

you

need

to

write

a

book

on

that.

I

said,

well,

I

would

like

to

write

it,

but

I

don't

think

it's

all

that

practical.

I

don't

know

if

there

really

are

cops

like

that.

And

by

Providence,

I

found

Dale

Brown

in

Detroit.

And

Dale

Brown

was

running

an

organization

then

called

Tactic

or.

Well,

I'll

get

the

name

in

a

minute.

Because

he

since

sold

that

company,

he's

got

another

one.

But

basically

it

was

Threat

Management

Center

Detroit.

So

I

found

out

about

him.

I

flew

all

the

way

out

to

Detroit

and

wanted

to

ride

with

him

for

one

day.

And

he

taught

me

so

much

about

respect

for

individuals.

He

gave

me

classic

examples

that

help

people

understand

how

this

works.

And

Dale

Brown

had

a

website

at

the

time

and

he

had

seven

police

officers

from

the

Detroit

pd.

I

think

six

of

them

were

African

American.

And

they

all

said

the

same

thing.

Why

were

we

not

trained

like

this?

Because

if

we

were

trained

like

this,

we

wouldn't

have

so

many

problems.

We

wouldn't

have

so

many

people

getting

shot.

We

wouldn't

have

so

many

lawsuits.

Joseph M. Lenard

Okay,

well,

we

are

a

law

fair

society.

Somebody

will

always

claim

they're

a

victim,

whether

they

are

or

not,

and

try

to

sue

for

money.

But

yeah,

that's.

And.

And

I

have

in

the

notes

here.

So

I

it.

This

is

leading

to

and

is

soon

to

publish

Officer

Hansen,

Compassion

in

Blue.

Is

that

what

we're

getting

to?

Kirk Beck

That's.

That's

true.

It's.

The

book

is

done.

It

just

needs

to

be

published.

And

I'm

working

through

some

things

with

professional

writers

because

I

really

would

like

this

book

not

to

be

dragged

down

by

my

inability

to

maybe

put

a

good

narrative

together

because

I've

got

tremendous

information

in

the

book.

Many

things

that

have

happened

to

me

personally

over

the

many

years

that

I've

been

in

court,

also

with

a

police

officer,

friends

that

I've

had

who

share

the

same

kind

of

respect

for

human

life

that

I

do,

that

all

this

came

together

in

the

book.

And

I

think

the

book

is

going

to

be

a

great

help

to

many,

many

people.

I've.

I

modeled

it

after

Black

Beauty

by

Anna

Sewell.

All

my

chapters

are

very

short,

and

each

chapter

has

some

purpose,

some

understanding

of

law

or

human

kindness

that

will

make

it

a

very

easy

book

to

read.

Could

read

a

chapter

probably

in

10

minutes.

Joseph M. Lenard

I

think

you're

going

about

it

right.

In

my

how

to

Write

a

Book

and

get

it

Published

Hints,

Tips

and

Techniques

book,

I

say

that

you

know

the

thing,

write

about

what

you

know,

use

personal

experience

when

and

where

you

can

and

fictionalize

it.

So

you

did

that.

Right.

Also,

you

mentioned

you

didn't

steal

source

material,

but

you

borrowed

someone's

style.

You

patterned

a

bit

after

somebody

and

that

intelligent.

That's

not

theft,

that's

homage.

And

you

know,

and

in

fact,

I

hope

you

will

throw

a

shout

out

to

her

and

that

book

in

your

book

saying

you

were

inspired

in

part

by

that.

She

deserves,

you

know,

a

bit

of

credit

for

inspiring

you

in

part

your

writing

style.

But

at

any

rate,

and

people

who

know

the

show,

at

any

rates,

an

ongoing

joke.

I

say

it

all

the

time.

It's

like,

you

know,

like

Oz

and

UMS.

I

do.

@

any

rate,

as

a

segue

thing,

it's

an

ongoing

gag

now.

So

indeed,

at

any

rate,

we

jumped

into

nitty

gritty.

Let's

backpedal

to

the

original

usual

first

question

before

we

get

to

your

book.

How

to

parent

the

passive

rebel.

Who.

Like

you

know

the

who

song.

Who

are

you?

Who,

who,

who,

who.

Give

us

the

four

one

year

old

enough

to

know

what

four

one

one

means.

Give

us

the

four

one

one.

Where

you

were

born,

raised,

where

you're

at

now,

all

that

kind

of

stuff.

Kirk Beck

Born

in

1949

in

Sioux

Falls,

S.D.

i'm

a

Dakota

and

group

in

a

city

of

about

80,000

people.

No

Hispanics,

two

black

families

in

the

whole

city.

Joseph M. Lenard

Not

very

diverse.

Right.

Kirk Beck

Boy,

did

we

love

those

guys

because

they

were

great

athletes.

They

were

great

athletes.

Joseph M. Lenard

Yeah.

You

wanted

them

on

your

basketball

team.

Not

to

be

stereotypical,

but

indeed,

you

know,

I,

I

don't

know

them,

so

don't

get

on

me

about

the

statement,

but

I

mean

that's.

There

are

stereotypes

for

a

reason.

Right.

So

you're

in

Christie

Gnome

State.

And

again

I

mentioned

not

very

diverse.

Diversity,

if

used

in

the

real

sense,

is

not

a

four

letter

word.

It

is

just

how

the

left

use

it

by

just

skin

tone

related,

never

diversity

of

thought.

That

is

kind

of

bad.

But

anyway,

I'm

sorry

I

interrupted.

Go

on.

Kirk Beck

Okay,

so

I

went

to

school

and

graduated

engineering

degree

from

South

Dakota

Tech.

I

got

the

opportunity

to

play

football

there

for

four

years

and

actually

played

in

a

game

that

was

later

called

the

upset

of

the

decade.

Later

on

I

found

out

they

actually

in

the.

In

Rapid

City,

South

Dakota.

They

went

up,

they

upped

it

to

the

upset

of

the

century.

What

a

wonderful

thing

to

be

able

to

play

in

such

a

one

in

a.

In

a

football

game

like

that

and

remember

it

these

many

52

years

later.

So

I

graduated,

I

went

to

work

for

Shell

Oil

Company.

I

lived

in

Denver,

Colorado

for

a

couple

of

years.

I

got

married,

lived

in

Fort

Collins,

Colorado

for

about

10

more

years,

and

had

three

young

boys.

All

of

them

were

born.

Two

of

them

were

born

in

Colorado.

The

third

one

was

born

in

California.

I've

been

in

California

now

for

about

37

years.

I

hasten

to

tell

people

California

has

58

counties

and

most

of

them

are

red.

And

we

have

40

plus

sheriffs

that

don't

have

any

time

for

our

governor.

They

resist

him

as

best

they

can.

And

what

I

often

tell

people,

oh,

you're.

Joseph M. Lenard

You're

North.

You're

Bergam.

Then

I

said

Nome.

I

thought

you

said

you're

North

Dakota.

Kirk Beck

No,

no,

that's

South

Dakota.

Christine

Gnome.

Yes.

Joseph M. Lenard

Okay.

I

thought

you

said

him,

which

made

me

think

Burgum

then.

Okay,

I'm

sorry.

I

got

myself

confused.

I

apologize.

Kirk Beck

Okay,

well,

I'm

out

here

in

California

now

with

Gavin

Newsom,

and

he's

a

real

nuisance,

and

we

deal

with

him

all

the

time.

But.

But

as

an

example.

Oh,

my

gosh.

So

sorry

about

that.

We

got

to

turn

this

thing

off.

Turn

that

off.

Joseph M. Lenard

Oh,

that's

all

right.

My

phone

rings

all

the

time

during

records.

You

know,

hey,

it

happens.

You

can't

always

remember

to

turn

them

off

before.

Kirk Beck

Okay,

well,

it's

off

now.

Okay.

So

I.

I

want.

By

the

way,

before

I

go

any

farther,

I

want

to.

I

want

to

say

that

I

have

a

free

gift

to

anybody

who

is

at

the

end

of

this.

This

interview

that

I'd

like

to

give

them.

And

I'll

talk

about

that

a

little

bit

later.

Joseph M. Lenard

I'll.

I

made

a

note.

We'll

be

sure

to

get

to

that

at

the

end.

Kirk Beck

So

it

was

when

I

was

in

California.

I

have

always

been

a

person

who

is

very

curious.

Maybe

I

should

have

gone

to

law

school.

And.

Well,

I

did

go

to

law

school

for

one

semester,

but

I

didn't

like

the

kind

of

law

that

I

was

learning.

But

I've

always

had

a

real

interest

in

politics

and

the

law

and

especially

something

called

American

exceptionalism.

It

is

not

the

American

people.

It

is

a

system

of

government

that

our

founding

fathers

gave

us

that

is

unique

in

the

history

of

the

world.

And

it

wasn't

until

I

found

myself

in

court

on.

As

a.

On

a

part

of

a

jury,

and

I

was

there,

and

I

was

sitting

right

behind

the

defendant,

and

the

defendant

was

making

an

objection.

And

the

judge

was

very,

very

blunt

with

him.

He

said,

sir,

you

had

an

opportunity

to

have

an

attorney.

You've

chosen

not

to

have

an

attorney.

Therefore,

you

have

to

know

all

the

Rules.

He's

scolding

him

in

front

of

all

of

us.

But

the.

The

entire

time

that

he's

being

scolded,

the

defendant

is

shaking

his

head

very

negatively.

So

I've

been

in

court

enough

times

to

recognize

I

might

know

what's

going

on

here.

Two

days

later,

I'm

on

the

jury

selection,

and

the

judge

makes

his

standard

three

caveats.

And

the

one

that

I

remember

is

the

one

where

he

said,

the

fact

that

the

defendant

is.

Judge.

Is

defending

himself

against

17.

Joseph M. Lenard

Oh,

my

God.

Kirk Beck

Felonies.

Would

that

inhibit

you

from

making

a.

A

just

verdict?

Well,

I

didn't

say

anything,

but

as

soon

as

he

got

done,

he

said,

Juror

number

14,

I

see

by

your

body

language,

you

might

have

some

problems

with

what's

going

on

here.

And

for

five

minutes,

he

allowed

me

to

elaborate,

after

which

he

said,

I

think

we

need

to

take

a

short

break.

And

when

he

came

back,

he

said,

Juror

14,

and

you

can

leave.

Joseph M. Lenard

And

you've

already

tainted

the

other

jurors,

probably.

Kirk Beck

I

got.

I

got

what

I

wanted

to

have

said.

I

knew

I

wasn't

going

to

be

on

this

jury

because

I

always

ask

questions.

Unusual,

though,

I

came

back

the

next

day

and

sat

right

behind

the

defendant.

I

wanted

to

get

the

jury's

attention.

Like,

what's

this

guy

doing

in

here

again?

He

was

supposed

to

go

home.

And

I

went

out

to

lunch

with

the

defendant,

and

I

found

out

that

he

had

actually

gone

out

with

an

attorney

to

see

if

they

could

work

together.

He

didn't

want

to

give

up

his

right

to

defend

himself.

He

knows,

like

I

know,

like,

you

probably

know,

that

when

you

have

an

attorney

in

the

courtroom,

you

have

given

up

your

right

to

talk.

You

are

rendered

incompetent

by

the.

By

the

court.

And

the.

The

attorney

does

all

the

speaking

in.

Joseph M. Lenard

Your

behalf,

good

or

bad,

and

it's

not

always

good.

Kirk Beck

He

did

not

want

that.

So

he

went

out

to

talk

with

the

attorney,

see

if

they

could

work

together.

He

came

back

into

the

courtroom.

The

judge

asked

the

attorney,

well,

can

you

work

together?

And

the

attorney

totally

blindsided

him

by

saying

this.

Your

honor,

based

upon

my

conversation

with

the

defendant,

I

highly

recommend

a

full

psychiatric

evaluation.

Wow.

Wow.

Joseph M. Lenard

What

happened

to

attorney

client

privilege?

He

didn't

pay

him

yet,

but

they

were

talking.

That

still

should

have

applied.

Kirk Beck

So

I'm

talking

further

with

the

defendant,

and

I

found

out

that

I

was

right.

He

didn't

want

to

give

up

his

ability

to

speak

in

his

behalf.

But

then

he

said

this.

I'm

trying

to

defend

myself

based

upon

the

constitutional

principles

that

I'm

learning

from

Jack.

And

Margie

Flynn.

Well,

I

don't

know

who

they

are.

Well,

10

years

later,

I'm

a

student

of

Jack

and

Margie

Flynn

and

their

affidavit

process,

which

we

call

the

power

of

paper.

And

we've

used

this

effectively.

I

personally

have

used

it

effectively

five

times

over

the

last

six

years.

And

Jack

and

Marty

Flynn

have

said.

And

now

I

believe

since

they've

been

doing

this

for

six

decades,

they

have

over

10,000

victories.

Now,

I

would

happy

to

go

into

my

victories

one

at

a

time.

Joseph M. Lenard

I

don't

know

that

we've

got

all

day

to

do

that.

Right.

Yeah,

I

can.

Kirk Beck

I

can

fly

through

them

very

quickly.

Joseph M. Lenard

Okay.

Kirk Beck

But

so

here

I

am

in

California,

living

in

a

most

regulated

state

in

the

union.

It's

crazy

in

many

respects,

but

as

I

said

earlier,

we

have

a

lot

of

good

sheriffs,

we've

got

a

lot

of

good

people.

And

we

believe

that

with

the

understanding

of

using

the

law

basically

without

attorneys

and

just

holding

government

accountable

to

their

oaths

of

office

and

to

the

higher

law,

the

Constitution,

we

can

affect

great

changes.

And

we're

trying

to

do

here

in

Riverside

is

change

one

county

to

basically

being

a

constitutional

county.

Not

because

the

governments

did

something,

but

because

we

the

people

know

the

law.

Joseph M. Lenard

And

we

the

people

are

the

bosses

if

we

bother

to

get

off

our

butts

and

exert

that

authority.

Yes,

exactly.

Kirk Beck

It's

not

they

the

elected,

it's

we

the

people.

And

when

we

the

people

are

armed

with

the

law

and

can

use

it

judiciously,

then

we

can

gain

great

latitude

and

increase

in.

In

liberty,

wherever

we

are.

So

I

applied

the

Margie

and

Jack

technique

with

just

a

traffic

ticket.

I

went

to

court.

Well,

what

I

did

is

I

wrote

the

police

officer

a

nice

letter

and

explained

what

he

did

wrong.

But

I

sent

it

certified

mail.

Joseph M. Lenard

Right.

You

got

to

have

that

paper

trail.

Yes,

right.

Kirk Beck

Plus,

he's

not

used

to

getting

letters,

period,

from

somebody

who

gives

a

ticket

for

a

rolling

stop,

but

then

he

has

to

sign

for

it.

That's

really

unusual.

He

read

my

letter,

probably

didn't

think

too

much

of

it.

But

then

I

did

step

two.

I

took

my

letter

and

basically

turned

it

into

an

affidavit.

And

this

affidavit

says

two

things,

one

at

the

beginning

and

one

at

the

end,

where

we're

notifying

the

officer

or

the

government

official

or

the

corporate

CEO

that

they

have

a

responsibility.

Responsibility

to

answer

the

affidavit.

And

remember,

you're

under

oath

not

only

because

you

took

an

office,

but

also

because

any

affidavit

has

to

be

sworn

before

a

notary

to

be

true.

Otherwise

you

could

be

subject

to

perjury.

So

I

specified

exactly

what

the

officer

did

wrong

at

the

stop.

And

90,

almost

all

traffic

stops

violate

certain

rules

of

the

law.

So

I

put

that

in

there

and

then

I

told

him,

and

these

are

the

key

words.

You

have

30

days

to

rebut

with

particularity

specific

to

what

I

put

into

my

affidavit.

Otherwise,

everything

in

it

can

be

used

against

you,

Officer

Salonger,

in

any

court

in

the

United

States.

Now,

when

he

gets

that

by

certified

mail

and

he

signs

for

it

and

he

looks

at

it,

now,

I

am

pretty

sure

that

he

runs

that

up

to

legal,

and

legal

takes

a

look

at

it.

And

legal

basically

comes

back

and

says,

we

got

bigger

fish

to

fry

than

this

guy.

Kind

of.

Yep,

just

let

him

go.

It's

not

worth

the

hassle.

So

I

went

to

court

with

my

witness.

I

always

take

a

witness

whenever

I

go

to

court

and

I

watch

the.

Oh,

here

comes

the

deputy.

Good,

we're

going

to

have.

Not

going

to

be

one

of

those

that

I

win

by

default.

I'm

going

to

win

this

time

because

he's

here.

And

he

walked

in,

he

looked

at

me

and

he

gave

something

to

the

bailiff.

The

bailiff

gave

it

to

the

judge.

The

look

judge

looked

at

and

he

said,

Mr.

Beck,

are

you

here

yet?

Mr.

Beck,

you.

You

may

leave.

Your

case

has

been

dropped.

Okay.

Now,

I

walked

out

and

I

realized,

hey,

these

two

people,

Margie

and

Jack

Flynn,

they

know

what

they're

talking

about

because

this

just

saved

me

$240.

Granted,

I

had

to

have

something

notarized

and

had

that

at

certified

mail,

and.

Joseph M. Lenard

I

had

to

go

to

court.

Yeah,

a

couple

bucks

here

and

there.

But

all

of

this

is

indeed

describing

in

the

importance

of

power

of

paper,

as

you

said.

Because

if

you'd

have

just

gone

to

court

and

tried

to

argue

all

those

things,

they're

just

going

to

blow

you

off.

Kirk Beck

Exactly

as

I've

done

four

or

five

times

previously.

As

I

tell

people

I'm

a

recidivist

when

it

comes

to

rolling

stops,

I

just

can't

stop

not

stopping.

So

I've

never

had

a

speeding

ticket

my

life.

I

don't

drink,

so

you

don't

have

to

worry

about

DUI

like

Justin

Timberlake.

Yeah,

but

I

have

a

problem

with

stopping

when

I

look

50

yards

that

way

and

50

yards

that

way

and.

Joseph M. Lenard

There'S

nothing

to

be

seen.

Right.

I.

I'm

with

you

on

that.

Kirk Beck

I'm

with

you

especially.

Especially

the

cop

who's

hiding.

You

can't

see

him

either,

but

he

put

the

light

on

you.

And

this

started

back

in

Colorado,

many,

many

years

ago

with

my

first

rolling

stop.

And

every

time

I

go

to

court

and

I

try

to

fight

with

whatever

different

means

I

try,

I

always

try

to

appeal

to

the

Constitution,

but

they

don't

listen

to

you

without

the

paper.

Joseph M. Lenard

Where

there's

a

paper

trail,

it's

in

evidence

now,

as

opposed

to

the

transcript

that

nobody's

going

to

pay

att

you

to

either.

Kirk Beck

Right

now

there's

a.

A

special

sentence

in

the

Declaration

Independence

that

I

always

bring

with

me

to

these

interviews.

Thomas

Jefferson

wrote,

quote,

he

speaking

of

the

king,

he

has,

combined

with

others,

speaking

of

the

colonial

governors

and

parliament,

he

combined

with

others,

has

subjected

us

to

a

jurisdiction

foreign

to

our

Constitution

that's

not

the

United

States

Constitution,

because

that

came

11

years

later.

Jefferson

is

talking

about

the

common

law,

subjected

us

to

a

jurisdiction

unacknowledged

by

our

laws.

And

given

his

ascent

to

acts

of

pretended

legislation,

get

this,

there

is

such

a

thing

as

color

of

law.

There's

such

a

thing

as

legislation.

That's

not

constitutional.

Therefore,

it's

not

law.

It's

a

statute.

When

I

went

into

court

those

many

times,

I

went

into

statutory

jurisdiction.

Joseph M. Lenard

Just

as

if

ordinances

also

are

not

law,

there

are

ordinances

and

different.

Kirk Beck

Stay

with

us.

Joseph M. Lenard

We'll

be

right

back.

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M.

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Kirk Beck

They

can

become

law,

but

they're

not

necessarily

law

until

they

adjudicated

to

be

constitutionally

valid.

And

most

of

our

statutes

are

not.

Whenever

you're

in

court

where

there's

not

a

victim,

you're

in

statutory

jurisdiction.

You

might

ask,

why

am

I

here?

There's

no

criminal,

there's

no

crime,

there's

no

victim.

I

was

in

court

one

time

and

I

said

that,

your

honor,

the.

The

police

officer

cannot

fill

out

a

verifiable

complaint.

Yes,

he

can.

No,

he

can't.

Yes,

he

can.

I'm

saying

he

can.

And

he

did.

And

that's

the

law

in

my

courtroom.

And

I

got

upset.

But

she's

totally

right.

I'm

in

statutory

jurisdiction.

Under

statutory

jurisdiction,

that

police

officer

can

write

a

verifiable

complaint.

But

under

common

law,

he

cannot.

Only

a

human

being

breathing

with

blood

flowing

in

their

veins

can

fill

out

a

verifiable

complaint.

In

common

law

jurisdiction.

So

I

tell

people

I

learn

law

by

doing

law.

I

go

to

court

and

sometimes

I

lose.

Sometimes,

well,

most

of

the

time

I

lose,

not

anymore.

But

I

used

to

lose

all

the

time.

And

I

was

in

court

one

time

on

a

misdemeanor

because

this

time

I

did

something

stupid.

I

had

one

of

my

rolling

stop

tickets

and

I

was

so

upset

with

it

that

I

didn't

pay

the

fine.

So

they

suspended

my

license

and

now

I

got

another

rolling

stop

and

now

it's

a

misdemeanor

and

I'm

in

court

with

an

actual

district

attorney

over

there

and

she's

coming

after

me.

Well,

she

made

a

couple

of

mistakes

herself

and

I

brought

one

to

the

judge's

attention

and

he

said,

okay,

you're

going

to

have

to

explain

that

more.

So

I

began

to

explain

it

and

he

let

me

go

for

a

while

and

they

said,

wait

a

minute,

we're

going

to

have

to

stop

right

there

now.

I

said,

I

go

to

court

to

learn

law.

This

judge

Fern,

he

had

no

necessity

to

do

this,

but

he

must

have,

may

have

been

a

little

bit

impressed

with

what

I

was

saying

because

he

said

this.

Mr.

Beck,

you

make

some

very

good

points.

Nevertheless,

that's

not

why

we're

here

today.

You

should

have

brought

that

up

by

way

of

a

pre

trial

motion.

There

you

go.

That's

where

you

bring

the

common

law

in.

Joseph M. Lenard

Ah.

And

again,

the

power

of

the

paper.

The

pre

trial

motion

you

could

have

and

should

have

done

in

writing

and

I

could

see

how

knowledgeable

you

are

and

we

could

talk

about

this

for

probably

six

hours.

But

I

try

to

keep

my

shows

to

around

30

minutes

so

people

will

actually

listen.

So

we've,

we've

wet

their

whistle.

So

we'll

get

to

how

people

can

reach

out.

And

you

mentioned

Jack

and

Margie

Flynn's

information.

They

could

check

into

that,

of

course,

but,

but

so

before

I

get

on

to

I.

Because

I

want

to

touch

on

how

to

parent

the

passive

rebel,

but

before

I

do,

I

want

to

remember,

for

those

looking

at

the

behind

the

scenes

video,

yes,

you

see

me

wearing

my

never

for

that

is

because

we

are

recording

during

the

week

of

9

11,

even

though

this

will

air

later.

And,

and

the

other

thing

is

I

got

to

try

to.

They

say

when

you're

in

a

hole,

stop

digging.

Well,

I

got

to

try

to

dig

my

hole

out

of

the

basketball

comment.

All

I'm

saying

is

it's

anecdotal,

but

me

as

a

white

dude

growing

up,

all

the

black

friends

I

had

and

people

I've

ever

known

that

are

black

have

always

been

indeed

better

basketball

players

than

I.

So,

yes,

you

know,

I

threw

out

the

stereotype.

It

is

certainly

not

always

true.

If

you

get

an

Urkel,

he's

probably

not

a

good

basketball

player.

So.

But

again,

please,

I

mean,

can

we

be

reasonable

here?

But

I'm

saying

this

as

a

way

of

an

apology

and

an

explanation

because

I

know

the

Internet,

somebody

will,

oh,

my

God,

did

you

hear

what

he

said?

Right.

Kind

of

thing.

But

anyway,

now

that

I've

got

that

out

of

the

way,

tell

us

about

how

to

parent

the

passive

rebel.

Kirk Beck

My

desire

was

to

write

the

book

about

Officer

Hanson,

but

I

needed

to

learn

how

to

write

books.

So

I

got

online

and

I

found

one

of

these

organizations

that

help

you

go

through

the

process

of

self

publishing.

Joseph M. Lenard

Like

my

how

to

Write

a

Book

and

Get

It

Published.

Kirk Beck

Yeah,

well,

I,

I,

I

wanted

to

learn

how

to

do

this.

And

in

the

process,

they

said,

we

want

you

to

write

a

book,

a

very

short

book.

Well,

I,

I

had

something

rest,

you

know,

that

I've

carried

with

me

for

40

years

as

a

teacher.

I

ran

a

private

school

back

in

Colorado,

and

I

had

this

wonderful

young

man

in

my

class

named

Doug.

And

Doug

taught

me

that

the

Bible's

true.

The

Bible

has

great

application.

Joseph M. Lenard

Amen.

Thanks

for

sharing

that

on,

especially

on

this

show.

Kirk Beck

Well,

Doug

was

a

passive

rebel.

He

came

to

class

every

day

and

he

had

all

these

different

magic

tricks

that

he

was

working

on.

Rubik's

Cube.

And

I

kept

confiscating

them.

And

he

was

in

my

school.

In

the

school,

the

students

had

individual

curriculum,

and

they

had

modules

in

science,

history,

Bible,

mathematics,

and

English.

And

they

were

supposed

to

get

a

module

done,

at

least

one

a

week

in

all.

Not

each

neat

subject,

but

at

least

one

module

every

week.

Doug

had

been

in

the

classroom

for

17

weeks,

and

he

got

five

modules

done.

I

went

to

the

pastor

and

I

said,

this

is

almost

like

theft.

We're

taking

money

from

the

parents.

He's

not

doing

anything.

I

want

this

son,

this

young

man.

I

want

him

dis.

Enrolled.

The

pastor

got

the

mother

in,

she

started

crying.

And,

and

the

pastor

came

back,

said,

no,

I

want

to

keep

him

in

there.

I

said,

okay,

I've

been

thinking

about

this.

I'll

keep

him

in

the

school

under

one

condition.

That

Monday

night,

Tuesday

night,

Wednesday

night,

and

Thursday

night,

he

goes

home

with

me.

And

there's

only

one

rule.

According

to

the

Bible.

If

a

man

does

not

work,

neither

does

he

eat.

Joseph M. Lenard

Amen.

So

if

unwilling.

Unwilling

versus

unable.

Yes.

Kirk Beck

So

if

Doug

doesn't

get

his

work

done,

he

doesn't

eat.

And

then

I'll

make

sure

he

doesn't

Eat

when

he

goes

home.

And

I

took

Doug

home

with

me

and

he

went

all

day

long.

I

said,

doug,

if

you

want

to

play

with

your

Rubik's

Cube

all

day

long,

I

don't

care

because

the

rule

is.

And

you

know

what

the

rule

is?

Yeah,

yeah,

that's

fine.

So

at

7:00

at

night,

I'm

sitting

with

my

family

at

home

and

I

said,

doug,

do

you

have

your

work

done?

No.

Well,

Doug,

you

can't

eat.

I'm

not

hungry.

What?

Okay,

so

6:00

in

the

morning,

I

got

up

and

I,

I

took

a

seat

right

next

to

the

refrigerator.

And

about

six,

ten,

out

comes

Doug.

And

he

didn't

say

hi.

He

went

right

to

the

refrigerator.

Because

I,

I

told

him,

I

said,

this

is

your

house.

You

come

here.

Anything

in

the

refrigerator,

it's

fine,

go

ahead

and

have

what

you

want.

I

said,

doug,

is

your

work

done?

No.

I

said,

well,

Doug,

you

know

the

rule.

Yeah,

but

I'm

hungry.

Yeah,

I

know

you're

hungry,

so

you

better

get

your

work

done.

And

he

went

back

to

his

room.

I

took

him

to

school

with

me.

At

9

o'clock

in

the

morning,

he

brought

everything

to

me.

We

checked

it.

Yep,

it's

all

done.

I

said,

doug,

the

lady's

waiting

for

you

down

in

the,

in

the

lunch

hall,

so

go

down

there

and

eat.

That

was

it.

I

think

I

had

one

other

time

in

the

seven

weeks

that

Doug

lived

with

me.

And

he

always

went

home

with

his

family

on

the

weekend.

And

of

course

he

never

got

anything

done

on

the

weekend,

but.

Joseph M. Lenard

Because

they

were

enablers.

Kirk Beck

Yes,

exactly.

So,

but

it

worked

perfectly

in,

I

think,

the

seven

or

eight

weeks

that

he

was

with

me,

he

got

14

or

15

modules

done

because

he

was

really

quite

an

intelligent

young

man.

Joseph M. Lenard

He

just

didn't

have

initiative.

Kirk Beck

And

once

we

put

him

in

gear,

he

worked

out

just

fine.

And

I

think,

well,

how

many

people?

Because

in

my

book,

I

point

out

five

things

you

don't

want

to

do.

These

are

the,

the

worst

things

you

can

do.

And

I

said,

the

worst

one

of

all

is

ignore

it.

Just

a

lot

of

parents

just

ignore

the

problem.

Yeah,

they

just

let

Johnny

go

to

school

and

get

and

learn

anything.

Joseph M. Lenard

While

both

of

these

books

sound

like

something

I

definitely

recommend

people

get

the

currently

available.

Right.

How

to

Parent,

the

Passive

Rebel

and

coming

Officer

Hanson,

Compassion

in

Blue.

But

I

do

indeed

want

to

wrap

it

up.

So

the

proverbial,

you

know,

required

last

question.

Where

do

people

reach

you?

And

of

course,

the

add

in

of

the

free

gift.

Kirk Beck

Okay,

let's.

The

free

gift

will

be

a

template

of

the

Affidavit

that

I

use

with

some

descriptions

as

to

how

to

use

it.

You

can

get

that

at

Affidavit

Secrets

Forward

slash

Detroit.

So

we'll

know

that

people

came

from

this

show.

Joseph M. Lenard

Yeah.

And

you,

you

got

your

first

customer

before

this

will

even

air.

Kirk Beck

Okay.

So

be

it.

So

that's

how

you

can

get

that

book.

Well,

not

the

book.

That's

how

you'll

get

in

touch

with

us

and

begin

the

process

of

learning

how

to

use

the

affidavit

process.

Because

quite

frankly,

if

this

snowballs

across

America,

government

is

going

to

be

very

wary

of

stepping

outside

the

box.

Joseph M. Lenard

Yeah.

Kirk Beck

Because

we

can

win

with

the

power

of

paper.

Joseph M. Lenard

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

that's

the

problem

again,

as

we

both

said,

we

the

people

are

the

real

bosses

and

we

gotta

stop

being

so

lazy

and

refusing,

like

Doug,

to

have

any

initiative

to

do

anything

for

themselves.

Kirk Beck

A

lot

of

it

is

also

a

lack

of

courage.

We

seem

to

have

a

frightful

condition

regarding

government.

We

don't

want

to

contend

with

it.

My

gosh.

The

country

was

birthed

because

men

and

women

were

willing

to

bleed

for

liberty.

Joseph M. Lenard

And

that's

why

we're

seeing

more

and

more

tyranny

here.

We

refused

to

nip

it

in

the

bud

and

just

keep

letting

it

grow.

Kirk Beck

Why

not

use

paper

rather

than

guns?

Joseph M. Lenard

Amen.

I'm

with

the

en

masse.

Absolutely.

The

paper

of

the

ballot

within

where

we

can

and

the

power

of

paper

through

the

affidavit.

And

thank

you,

Captain

Kirk

Beck,

for

coming

on

the

show.

I

really.

This

was

very

informative.

I've

heard

some

of

these

things

in

a

different

way.

I

like

the

way

you

laid

it

out

and

I

really

appreciate,

I

hope

the

listeners

will

too,

that

free

offer

to

help

get

them

started.

Kirk Beck

Thank

you.

Goodbye

now.

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you

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