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Quadrophenia (1979) - Crossover Episode with the Music Rewind Podcast

August 5, 2024

Quadrophenia (1979) - Crossover Episode with the Music Rewind Podcast

Cinema Decon - Overthinking Cinema Classics and Cult Favorites

In this episode of Music Rewind, hosts Steve Epley and Luke Boris engage in an in-depth discussion of The Who's legendary concept album Quadrophenia, exploring its complex narrative about Jimmy, a young mod in 1960s Britain struggling with identity, social pressures, and personal disillusionment. They meticulously analyze the album track by track, discussing its musical composition, lyrical themes, and the unique contributions of each band member: Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, John Entwistle, and Keith Moon.

The podcast delves into the album's narrative structure, which follows Jimmy's psychological journey through youth culture, exploring themes of teenage alienation, societal expectations, and personal transformation. They discuss how the album reflects the mod subculture, the tensions between mods and rockers, and Jimmy's descent into drug use and emotional turmoil, while also examining the album's innovative musical techniques, including its use of recurring motifs and multiple personality representations.

Beyond the musical analysis, Steve and Luke contextualize Quadrophenia within the broader landscape of concept albums, comparing it to works like Pink Floyd's The Wall and discussing its lasting impact on rock music. They reflect on their own personal experiences of finding identity in their twenties, drawing parallels with Jimmy's journey and offering insights into the universal struggles of youth, personal growth, and self-discovery.

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Episode Notes

Hello, listeners! Steve here from Cinema Decon. If you've been following us on our social media channels, you know that the show is currently on an indefinite hiatus. While there are no new episodes on the horizon, there's always a chance we might bring it back someday.

In the meantime, I'm excited to share an epic crossover episode from my other show, the award-nominated Music Rewind. Join me and The Who superfan Luke Bouris as we dive deep into the legendary 1973 album Quadrophenia and its 1979 film adaptation. This is a must-listen for fans of classic rock and cinematic history. Enjoy this deep dive into one of the most iconic albums and films of all time!

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Music Rewind welcomes returning guest Luke Bouris to discuss the classic album and movie Quadrophenia by The Who.

Album: Quadrophenia
Artist: The Who
Year: 1973

Movie: Quadrophenia
Year: 1979
Director: Franc Roddam
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  1. Quadrophenia is a complex concept album by The Who that explores themes of youth alienation, mental health, and the Mod subculture of 1960s Britain

  2. The album is structured around four distinct musical motifs representing each band member's personality, which intersect throughout the narrative of the protagonist Jimmy

  3. Jimmy's journey reflects a typical young person's struggle with identity, societal expectations, and finding oneself, characterized by rebelliousness, drug use, and emotional turbulence

  4. The album's musical composition is groundbreaking, featuring innovative use of synthesizers, multiple vocal styles, and intricate instrumental layers that create a cohesive narrative experience

  5. The song 'Love, Reign Over Me' serves as a powerful emotional climax, representing Jimmy's potential redemption and search for inner peace after a tumultuous journey

  6. The accompanying film adaptation provides additional context to the album's story, depicting the real-life tensions between Mods and Rockers in 1960s Britain

  7. Each band member (Pete Townshend, Roger Daltrey, John Entwistle, and Keith Moon) contributes a unique musical and thematic element to the album's conceptual structure

  8. Quadrophenia is considered a landmark concept album that influenced future rock operas and narrative musical works

  1. "Pete described the album as human frailty and abandonment set to the tune of a barreling freight train"  - Luke Boris

    - A poetic description that captures the emotional essence of the album, highlighting the raw human experience and musical intensity

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  2. "I've had enough of trying to love, bored with hate and passion"  - Roger Daltrey (as Jimmy)

    - A pivotal quote that encapsulates Jimmy's emotional breakdown and disillusionment with his life and subculture

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  3. "Only love can make it rain the way the be gets kissed by the sea"  - Roger Daltrey (singing 'Love Reign Over Me')

    - A lyrical quote that represents the album's themes of redemption and emotional transformation

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  4. "I think he became one with the ocean. I think he might be on his path to find the real me."  - Luke Boris

    - A hopeful interpretation of the album's ambiguous ending, suggesting personal growth and self-discovery

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  5. "You need to get shit on at work. You need friends to betray you. I think those are everyday things that define what you become."  - Luke Boris

    - A raw perspective on personal growth, suggesting that life's challenges shape individual character

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Chapter 1: Introduction to Quadrophenia: A Rock Opera Journey

Steve Epley introduces a crossover episode from his Music Rewind podcast, featuring Luke Boris discussing The Who's concept album Quadrophenia. The discussion explores the album's background, its rock opera structure, and the personal connection both hosts have to the music.

  • The podcast episode aims to deeply explore the album's musical and narrative elements.
  • Quadrophenia is The Who's third rock opera, following Tommy and A Quick One.

Key Quotes

  1. "I'm your host, Steve Epley, and in each episode I will invite a guest on to tell us about their favorite music album, how they discovered it, and what makes it special to them." by Steve Epley

    - Explains the podcast's core concept and approach to music discussion

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  2. "Quadrophenia is their third concept rock opera." by Luke Boris

    - Contextualizes the album's place in The Who's musical evolution

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Chapter 2: The Mods: A Cultural Subculture

The hosts discuss the Mod subculture of 1960s Britain, exploring its distinctive fashion, musical preferences, and social dynamics. They delve into the significance of style, scooters, and the specific cultural context that inspired the Quadrophenia album and film.

  • The Mod subculture was characterized by precise fashion, specific music tastes, and a dedicated lifestyle.
  • Pete Townshend, a key member of The Who, was considered the most 'Mod' of them all.

Key Quotes

  1. "They wore very smart suits. They had very trimmed haircuts. They were very dedicated to their appearance." by Steve Epley

    - Provides a vivid description of the Mod aesthetic and cultural identity

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  2. "Dedication is an understatement, for sure." by Luke Boris

    - Emphasizes the intense commitment of Mods to their lifestyle

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Chapter 3: Musical Breakdown: Album Structure and Themes

The hosts analyze Quadrophenia's complex musical structure, discussing its concept of four personalities representing each band member, the album's narrative arc, and the intricate musical motifs that weave throughout the tracks.

  • The album features four distinct personality themes corresponding to each band member.
  • Quadrophenia is designed to be experienced as a complete narrative, not as individual tracks.

Key Quotes

  1. "Pete described the album as human frailty and abandonment set to the tune of a barreling freight train." by Luke Boris

    - Captures the emotional essence of the album in a concise description

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  2. "This is tailored to front to back, you kind of have to." by Steve Epley

    - Highlights the album's conceptual nature and need for a complete listening experience

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Chapter 4: Character Study: Jimmy's Journey

The hosts examine the protagonist Jimmy's emotional journey, discussing his struggles with identity, societal expectations, and personal challenges. They analyze his mental state, drug use, and the broader themes of youth alienation represented in the album.

  • Jimmy represents a archetypal youth struggling with identity and societal expectations.
  • The album explores themes of alienation, disillusionment, and the challenges of early adulthood.

Key Quotes

  1. "As a parent, I want to smack them side of the head and say, grow up man. Just why were you whining?" by Steve Epley

    - Reflects a critical perspective on Jimmy's adolescent struggles

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  2. "I think a lot of people have walked in Jimmy's shoes, if not all people experiencing these things." by Luke Boris

    - Suggests the universality of Jimmy's experiences

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Chapter 5: Musical Legacy and Concept Albums

The discussion concludes with a broader conversation about concept albums, musical innovation, and the lasting impact of Quadrophenia. The hosts compare it to other notable concept albums and reflect on its unique musical and narrative qualities.

  • Quadrophenia is considered one of the most significant concept albums in rock history.
  • The album's innovative musical and narrative structure continues to influence musicians today.

Key Quotes

  1. "From a production standpoint, you've got the top three in any random order. You got Tommy, Quadrophenia and the Wall." by Steve Epley

    - Highlights the album's significant place in rock opera history

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  2. "Who's putting music out like this? Who has since then and who is now?" by Luke Boris

    - Emphasizes the album's innovative and unique musical approach

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Note: This transcript was automatically generated using speech recognition technology. While we will make minor corrections on request, transcriptions do not currently go through a full human review process. We apologize for any errors in the automated transcript.

Steve Epley

Hello,

listeners.

Steve

here.

If

you've

been

following

Cinemadecon

on

our

socials,

you

know

that

the

show

is

pretty

much

on

indefinite

hiatus.

No

new

episodes

are

on

the

horizon,

but

maybe

someday

we'll

bring

it

back

in

another

way.

Luckily,

there

is

the

perfect

crossover

episode

available

from

my

other

show,

the

award

nominated

Music

Rewind.

We

have

a

monster

episode

where

I

am

joined

by

the

who

super

fan

Luke

Boris.

We

talk

about

the

1973

album

Quadrophenia

and

the

1979

film

that

goes

with

it.

Enjoy.

Hello

and

welcome

to

season

two

of

Music

Rewind,

a

podcast

where

we

look

to

tell

the

stories

behind

our

favorite

albums.

I'm

your

host,

Steve

Epley,

and

in

each

episode

I

will

invite

a

guest

on

to

tell

us

about

their

favorite

music

album,

how

they

discovered

it,

and

what

makes

it

special

to

them.

Joining

me

today

is

our

first

returning

guest

on

Music

Rewind,

Luke

Boris.

You

will

remember

Luke

from

our

episode

Talking

Radioheads

in

Rainbows

and

also

our

two

part

classic

rock

roundtable.

Luke

is

a

lifelong

music

nerd

and

also

moonlights

as

a

guitar

player

himself.

Welcome

back,

Luke,

and

thank

you

for

being

on

the

show.

Luke Boris

Hey,

thanks

for

having

me.

Yeah.

Back

by

popular

demand.

Everyone's

been

requesting

me.

I

know

this.

Steve Epley

Absolutely

one

of

our

most

requested

people.

Everybody's

tied

at

zero.

That

means

you're

one

of

the

most.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Steve Epley

Well,

man,

let's

jump

right

into

this.

This

is

a

big

one.

What

album

would

you

like

to

bring

to

the

table

and

why

is

it

special

to

you?

Luke Boris

Well,

if

you

listen

to

the

roundtable

that

we

did,

I

think

you're

going

to

have

a

good

guess

about

what

we're

doing

tonight.

It's

Quadrophenia

by

the

who

and

it's

their

sixth

studio

album

and

their

third

rock

opera.

I'm

going

to

count

a

quick

one

as

their

first.

Kind

of

like

Rush

2112.

The

whole

album

wasn't

a

concept

album,

it

was

just

that

song.

But

the

same

with

Quick

One,

which

is

a

fantastic

song

if

you

haven't

heard

it

live.

They

do

an

awesome,

awesome

job.

And

then

obviously

we

got

Tommy

as

well.

So

Quadrophenia

is

their

third

concept

rock

opera.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

Tommy,

I

was

well

versed

in.

I

could

recite

to

you,

Tommy,

word

for

word.

That

was

kind

of

like

a

part

of

my

childhood

and

beyond

and

the

movie

and

the

album.

And

I'd

always

heard

of

Quadrophenia,

like,

oh,

you

gotta

listen

to

it,

gotta

listen

to

it.

I

knew

a

couple

of

tracks.

Obviously

the

real

me

and

Love

Reign

over

Me,

but

I

had

never

listened

to

it

all

the

way

through

until

this.

And

thank

you

for

bringing

this

to

the

table.

This

album

was

just

magic.

Luke Boris

I

agree.

100.

Steve Epley

It

was

wonderful.

Luke Boris

I'm

going

to

have

a

hard

time

keeping

this

short.

I

think

we're

going

to

be

up

all

night

here.

Steve Epley

We

have

no

limits

on

time.

It's

perfectly

fine.

We'll

get

into

anything

you

want

to

talk

about

because

this

may

end

up

being

just

a

geek

out

session

about

a

fantastic

album

for

sure.

Luke Boris

And

it's

not

just

one

artist

either.

All

of

them

bring.

They're

at

the

top

of

their

game

on

this,

for

sure.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

So

how

did

you

discover

it?

Luke Boris

I

actually

got

into

Quadrophenia

later

on

in

life.

My

dad

had

the

greatest

hits,

Meaty,

Beady,

Big

and

Bouncy.

So

I

grew

up

listening

to

that.

And

he

also

had

who's

Next,

which

I

could

easily

do

an

episode

on

who's

Next

as

well.

So

anyway,

Quadrophenia,

I

would

say

freshman

year,

sophomore

year

of

college

is

when

I

kind

of

got

into

it.

And

what

really

blew

it

up

too

was,

you

know,

my

love

for

Pearl

Jam

2007,

I

believe.

So,

yeah,

that

would

have

been

sophomore

year

of

college.

So,

yeah.

Eddie

Vedder

and

Pearl

Jam

did

a

cover

of

Love

Reign

Over

Me

for

the

Sandler

movie.

Steve Epley

I

got

to

see

that

at

Bonnaroo.

That

was

one

of

their

encore

numbers.

Luke Boris

Nice.

Steve Epley

And

that

blew

my

mind.

Yeah,

he

nailed

it.

Luke Boris

Oh,

for

sure.

I

can't

speak

enough

about

his

vocals

on

that,

Eddie.

And

no

offense

at

all,

but

as

he

aged,

or

as

he

is

aging,

I

should

say,

his.

His

voice

is

kind

of

declining,

in

my

opinion.

He's

come

up

with

this

new

style

which

works

for.

For

what

he's

trying

to

do.

But

in

that

song

in

particular,

I

think

that

might

be

pinnacle.

Eddie

Vedder,

especially

the

studio

recording,

he

just

gives

it

his

all.

And

yeah,

I've

always

known

it

as.

Steve Epley

Just

a

really

good

song.

I

did

not

know

it

in

the

context

of

the

story,

which.

And

we'll

get

into

the

story,

I'm

sure,

but

adds

so

much

and

especially

when

you

get

to

this.

This

version

and

Roger

Daltrey's

vocals

on

that

particular

track,

it's

just

so

much

there

passion.

Luke Boris

It's

desperation.

There

are

so

many

words

you

could

use

to

describe

it.

But

yes,

Roger

at

his

peak

as

well

there.

So

for

Eddie

to

be

able

to

recreate

that,

it

was

something

special.

And

I

did

get

to

see

it

in

concert

as

well,

too.

So

Pearl

Jam,

obviously,

I

have

not

seen

the

who,

but

so

anyway,

yeah,

just

the

album

kind

of

touches

on

youth.

Alienation,

countercultures.

Steve Epley

Now,

were

you

familiar

with

the

Mods?

Luke Boris

I

was

not

before

Quadrophenia.

No.

Me

neither.

I

wasn't.

I

guess

I

was

familiar

with

rockers

just

from

seeing

it

in

America,

but

I

think

Mods

was

definitely

English.

Steve Epley

It

definitely

wasn't.

I

didn't

know

it

was

such

a

specific

thing.

I

mean,

I

thought

that

was

just.

I

don't

know,

the

style,

you

know,

the

way

they

dressed

and

riding

around

on

the

scooters.

I

thought

that

that

was

just

kind

of

something

that

that

age

group

did.

I

didn't

realize

there

was

such

a

dedicated,

you

know,

subculture

to

this.

Luke Boris

Dedication

is

an

understatement,

for

sure.

If

you

watch

the

movie,

which

I

know

we

talked

about.

Steve Epley

I

did.

Luke Boris

So,

yeah.

It

was

lifestyle,

for

sure.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

Anyone

who's

listening

right

now

on

hbo,

Max,

Quadrophenia.

The

movie's

on

there.

And

it

definitely

adds

another

whole,

another

level

to

this

album

as

far

as

how

they

put

it

on

the

screen.

Luke Boris

Yep,

yep,

yep,

yep.

So.

And

I

actually

watched

a

documentary

on

Quadrophenia

recently.

I

believe

it

was

called

can

youn

See

the

Real

Me?

It

was

a

BBC

special.

Steve Epley

I

think

I

watched

the

same

thing.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Steve Epley

So

it

was,

like,

in

seven

parts

on

YouTube.

And

I

watched.

Luke Boris

Yes,

yes,

yes,

yes.

I

don't

know

why

they

broke

it

up,

because

it

wasn't

that

long,

but.

But,

yeah.

Pete

described

the

album

as

human

frailty

and

abandonment

set

to

the

tune

of

A

barreling

Freight

Train,

which

is

probably

a

perfect

description.

Steve Epley

And

it's

fascinating

to

me

that

they.

So

the

Mods,

just

to

describe

a

group

of

youth,

most

likely

early

20s,

they

wore

very

smart

suits.

They

had

very

trimmed

haircuts.

They

were

very

dedicated

to

their

appearance.

They

wore,

like,

Air

Force

jackets

from

the

military

and

they

rode

around

on

scooters.

They

were

very

dedicated

to

a

very

specific

type

of

music.

They

did

not

like

the

R

and

B

that

the

rockers

went

towards.

They

were

more

towards

the

early

who

styles

and

the

Kinks.

Kinks

were

another

big

one

in

there.

It's

just

very

interesting

that

that

subset

was

the

base

for

the

who's

early

years.

And

then

he

writes

this

rock

opera.

Luke Boris

I

don't

know.

Steve Epley

It

doesn't

paint

him

in

a

great

light

as

a

whole.

Luke Boris

No,

not

at

all.

Yep,

we'll

find

that

out.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

Luke Boris

And

it's

just.

Steve Epley

It's

weird

that

it's

not

that

he

was

dogging

his

fans.

It's

just

really

telling

a

story.

And

then

you

get.

I

don't

know

how

to

put

this

in

the

words.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Because

he

was

technically

one

of

them.

They

cut

their

hair

the

same.

I

mean,

yeah,

it

was

definitely

their

lifestyle

as

well.

So

you're

correct

in

saying

that

he.

Steve Epley

Was

the

most

mod

of

them

all,

they

said.

Luke Boris

Yep,

for

sure.

Yep,

yep,

yep.

Yeah,

you've

seen

how

he

dresses

on

stage.

He's.

He's

all

about

his

presentation,

so

I'll

say.

Steve Epley

So

do

you

want

to

talk

the

story,

the

music,

the

arrangement.

There's.

There's

like

so

much

to

talk

about.

What

do

you

want

to

talk

about

on

this?

Luke Boris

I

think

we

can

do

song

by

song

like

we

did

last

time,

and

we

can

do

all

three.

We

can

have

cover

what's

going

through

Jimmy's.

Jimmy

is

our

protagonist.

We

can

talk

about

what's

going

through

his

mind

at

the

time.

We

can

talk

about

the

amazing

bass

presentation

that

John

Entwistle

has

delivered.

We

can

talk

about

Keith

Moon's

insanity

on

the

drums,

et

cetera,

et

cetera.

Steve Epley

So

I

want

to

mention

that

in

the.

Probably

100

times

I've

listened

to

this

album

since

I

go

through

the

season

here,

as

I.

As

I'm

about

to

do

an

episode,

I

kind

of

dive

into

an

album

and

I'll

listen

to

it

over

and

over

again.

But

the.

With

this

one,

I

actually

found

online

an

85

page

thesis

paper

dedicated

to

the

mental

illness

described

in

the

album.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Steve Epley

It

was

like

a.

Like

a

doctorate

type

of

paper.

You

know,

someone's

going

for

their

doctorate

and

man,

that

was

detailed.

I

didn't

get

through

it.

I

only

probably

got

about

a

quarter

of

the

way

through

it

because

it

was.

If

you

want

an

abridged.

Luke Boris

If

you

want

an

abridged

version.

Pete

actually

wrote.

I've

got

the

vinyl

record

here

for

those

of

you

not

being

able

to

see.

Yes,

this

is

perfect.

It

really

is.

It

describes

the

album

in

a

condensed

form.

And

I

shouldn't

say

condensed,

it's

pretty

wordy.

But

yeah,

it's

just.

Steve Epley

Did

he

do

that

for

Tommy?

I

don't

know

if

he

did

or

not.

Luke Boris

I

actually

have

Tommy

sitting

right

here

as

well.

I

don't

believe

he

did,

but.

Steve Epley

Because

I

know

they.

Pink

Floyd

didn't.

For

the

Wall,

by

the

way,

if

you

see

back

there,

I

got

Tommy

up

on.

Luke Boris

There

you

go,

beautiful.

And

I'm

holding

it.

And

I

see

animals

underneath

too,

which

you

obviously

chose

for

your

Animals

is

always

prominent.

Steve Epley

But

like

the

wall,

an

essay

of

that

nature

would

have

been

very

helpful

to

help

us

understand

the

story

of.

Luke Boris

The

Wall,

the

craziness

that's

going

through

Roger

Waters

mind.

Yeah,

for

sure.

Yeah.

Tommy

does

not

with

Tommy.

Steve Epley

I

saw

the

movie

first,

so

I

knew

the

story.

Luke Boris

Okay.

Steve Epley

And

that

helped

me

enjoy

the

album

immensely.

Luke Boris

I

haven't

listened

to

Tommy

in

ages.

I

need

to

put

this

one

on.

But

something

else

to

note,

so

you

can

see

on

the

Tommy

cover,

all

of

their

faces

are

in

here.

What

I

thought

was

neat

about

Quadrophenia.

Steve Epley

Quadrophenia

cover,

yeah.

Luke Boris

We'll

dive

right

into

there.

So

there

are

four

rear

view

mirrors.

Steve Epley

So

the

Quadrophenia

cover,

for

those

listening,

has

a

Ahmad

sitting

on

a

scooter,

and

he's

got

his

Air

Force

jacket

there

with

the

who

on

the

back

of

the

jacket,

the

logo.

But

the

scooter

has

multiple

rear

view

mirrors,

and

in

each

mirror

is

a

actual

picture

of

each

member

of

the

who.

Luke Boris

Here's

the

fun

fact

about

Jimmy.

So

Jimmy

does

have

Quadrophenia,

which

is

what

we're

talking

about.

Quad

being

for

personalities.

And

each

of

the

personalities

pertains

to

one

of

the

members

of

the

band.

So

we

got

Pete,

we've

got

John,

we've

got

Keith,

we

got

Roger.

So

each

of

the

band

members

also

have

a

dedicated

song

on

the

album.

So

Helpless

Dancer

is

Roger

Daltrey's

song.

And

the

description

is

tough

guy,

but

a

helpless

dancer.

So

apparently

Roger

Daltrey,

in

my

opinion,

all

the

live

stuff,

I've

seen

all

of

the

interviews,

he

seems

like

a

gentle

giant,

but

apparently

he

was

a

fighter.

He

did

not

mess

with

Roger.

So,

yeah,

basically

tough

guy,

but

Helpless

dancer

and

then

Dr.

Jimmy,

John

Entwistle.

That's

his

song.

Because

there's

a

break

a

few

times

in

the

song,

actually,

it's

called

Is

It

Me?

And

he's

considered

the

romantic

bellboy

is

Keith

Moon,

which

is

described

as

a

bloody

lunatic,

but

I'll

even

carry

your

bags

so

devil

may

care

attitude,

that

kind

of

thing.

And

then

obviously,

Pete's

Love

reign

over

me.

So

its

description

is

a

beggar,

a

hypocrite.

Love

reign

over

me.

So.

Steve Epley

And

each

of

those

has

its

own

motif

that

reoccurs

throughout

the

album.

It'll

cut

into

the

songs,

which,

by.

Luke Boris

The

way,

I

think

that's

what

makes

this

the

perfect

concept

album

for

me

anyway,

is

it

ties

throughout

the.

Like

you

said,

each

of

those

motifs

is

throughout

the

entire

thing.

So

it's

just

as

a

whole,

it's

just

beautifully

done.

Townshend

is.

Steve Epley

It

works

well

when

you

appreciate

it.

Like,

we

are

approaching

it

as

a

concept

album.

But

if

you

were

to

jump

over

from

track

to

track,

just

random

man,

this

would

make

no

sense.

Luke Boris

Sure.

Yep.

Steve Epley

It

really.

This

is

tailored

to

front

to

back,

you

kind

of

have

to.

Normally,

I

would

ask

the

guests,

how

do

you

listen

to

the

album?

But

there's

really

only

one

answer

on

this

one.

Luke Boris

Sure,

I

agree.

But

we

haven't

even

gotten

to

songwon

yet.

I'm

gonna

do

another

sidebar

here.

So

we

were

speaking

about

who's

Next

earlier.

So

who's

Next

was

supposed

to

be

another

rock

opera.

So

it

was

called

Lifehouse.

Basically,

abridged

version

is.

So

we

had

Tommy,

we

have

Jimmy

for

Quadrophenia.

Bobby

was

the

main

character

for

Lifehouse.

And

basically

life

has

become

hazardous.

The

world

has

been

polluted

so

terribly

that

everyone

has

to

live

in

these

suits.

They're

called

life

suits.

They

basically.

They're

living

life

through

virtual

reality,

which

we're

not

too

far

off

from

that.

That's

prophetic

there.

Yeah,

absolutely.

But

Pete's

ideas

were

so

grandiose

and

over

the

top

for

this

one.

No

one

really

understood

what

he

was

trying

to

do.

So

they

kind

of

took

the

songs

from

Lifehouse

and

turned

them

into

who's

Next.

So

they

rearranged

them.

So

basically

you

got

a

concept

album,

but

it's

been

chopped

and

rearranged

for

radio.

So

they

do

stand

alone

to

some

extent.

I

don't

want

to

say

all

the

songs

in

Quadrophenia

do,

but

you

got

the

real

me.

Steve Epley

5:15

Cannes.

Even

though

it's

got

some

of

the

motifs

in

there.

And

then

Love,

Brain

Over

Me.

Those

are

kind

of

the

three.

I

believe

they

released

those

three

as

singles.

Luke Boris

Yes,

yep.

Those

were

the

three

for

sure.

But

anyway,

another

side

note.

So

2021

was

50

year

anniversary

for

who's

Next.

And

I

just

found

this

out

today,

actually.

Pete

Townsend

is

going

to

release

Lifehouse.

He

is

going

to

give

us

that

concept

album.

Yes.

Since

it's

the

50th

anniversary

of

who's

Next,

he's

actually

going

to

put

it

in

the

correct

order.

He's

going

to

add

the

songs

that

were

cut.

I

don't

know

if

he's

re

recorded

them,

but.

And

if

he

hasn't,

then

I'm

sure

he's

got

his

demo

still

that

he

can

kind

of

soup

up

and

make

it

a

concept.

So

we're

getting

another

who

concept

album

in

2022,

which

is

amazing.

Steve Epley

We'll

have

to

do

a

bonus

episode

and

just

dissect

that

when

it

comes

out.

Luke Boris

That'd

be

awesome.

Steve Epley

Get

first

impressions.

That'd

be

fun.

Luke Boris

Absolutely.

So,

all

right,

well,

let's

dive

into

this.

I've

been

just

babbling

here.

Steve Epley

Go

for

it.

Take

us

into

track

one.

Luke Boris

Track

one

is

I

am

the

scene.

So

basically,

Pete

walked

around

making

field

recordings.

So

it

starts

off

with

the

ocean

noises,

the

rain,

television,

train

whistles,

parades,

you

know,

whatever

he

was

encountering,

he

recorded.

So.

And

this

song

kind

of

just

sets

the

tone

for

the

album,

in

my

opinion.

Steve Epley

And

then

you

do

get

some

Roger

vocals

in

there

as

far

as

the.

The

four

motifs.

Luke Boris

Correct.

Steve Epley

Some

of

the

recurring

ones.

And

then

you'll

hear

bell

boy.

You

hear

just

little

bits

of

it.

Luke Boris

Yep.

And

Pete

actually

whispers

in

the

background,

I

am

the

sea.

Steve Epley

Oh,

does

he

really?

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

You

can

catch

that.

Luke Boris

Yep.

But,

yeah,

like

you

said,

helpless

dancer.

You

got

the

horns.

Is

it

me?

Bellboy,

Love,

Rain

over

me.

You

get

a

tease

for

all

of

them,

and

they

all

represent

the

voices

going

on

in

Jimmy's

head

at

any

given

time,

so.

And

then

the

song

kind

of

just

fades

out,

and

what

you

get

is

Roger

screaming,

can

you

see

the

real

me?

Can

you?

So

that

kicks

us

right

into

the

real

me.

Steve Epley

Can

you

see

the

real

me,

Doctor?

Luke Boris

Doctor,

can

you

see

the

real

me,

Doctor?

Oh,

doctor.

John

Entwistle's

tone

on

his

bass

is

just

so,

so

phenomenal.

Steve Epley

I

was

wondering

how

long

we

get

before

you

start

talking

about.

It

just

kicks

right

into

it.

It

really

does.

Luke Boris

And

I

guess

it's

tone

again,

I'm

not

a

musician,

so

I

said

that

in

the

last

three

podcasts,

I

believe,

so

I

don't

know

how

to

describe

this

stuff,

but

tone,

there's

just

something

in

his

bass

guitar

that

not

many

people

can

even

touch.

I

don't

know

if

I've

heard

another

bass

player

like

John

Entwistle.

Steve Epley

And

what

always

fascinates

me

is

the

skill

needed

to

keep

rhythm

and

time

with

Keith

Moon.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

That

is

a

level

of

bass

playing

that

is

impossible.

How

the

hell

does

he

do

it?

Because

Keith

Moon,

especially

when

you

watch

the

videos

of

some

of

these

songs

live

with

Keith

playing,

I

mean,

it's

like

the

dude's

got

eight

hands.

Luke Boris

It

is.

Steve Epley

How

the

hell

does

he

hit

all

of

these

drums

in

the

right

moments

to

keep

a

rhythm

and

still

add

in

those

jazzy

things

on

the

side?

It's

nuts.

Luke Boris

Yep,

I

agree

100%.

And

then

at

some

points

throughout

this

album

in

particular,

I

don't

even

know

if

he's

keeping

rhythm.

He

is

going

so

quickly.

Obviously

there's

a

rhythm

of

some

sort

in

there,

but

he

is

just

wailing

on

those.

Steve Epley

I

wonder,

is

this

just

a

what

if?

Would

Keith

have

been

as

good

as

he

was

without

John

Entwhistle

to

keep

that

rhythm

steady?

Luke Boris

I

don't

think

so.

I

think

that's

a

good

point.

I

think

he

needed

someone

like

that

to

maintain.

And

you

could

argue

that

Entwistle

is

their

lead

guitarist

because

Pete's

always

been

known

as

the

rhythm.

He's

the

king

of

rhythm.

I'm

going

to

go

ahead

and

say

I

think

Pete

Townsend

is

the

best

rhythm

guitarist

ever,

Period.

That's

again,

opinion.

John

Entwistle

is

making

up

for

that.

And

I

shouldn't

say

lack

of

lead

guitar

because

Pete

does

come

in

a

few

times

on

this

album

and

has

some

stellar

leads.

But

John

Entwistle,

I

think

he

could

be

considered

their

lead

guitarist.

Steve Epley

The

real

me

just

is

a.

It's

classic

who

to

me

that's

just

everything

hitting

on

all

cylinders

and

that's

just.

Everybody's

just

on

point

for

a

good

rockin

tune.

Story

wise,

it's

Jimmy

going

to

a

doctor,

a

preacher

and

others

trying

to

figure

out

what

is

his

deal,

what's

his

issues

without

getting

any

solution.

Luke Boris

Yes,

no

one

understands

what's

going

on

in

his

head

and

his

split

personalities

are

coming

to

the

forefront.

So

YouTube

John

Entwistle

isolated

Bass

I

think

I

sent

this

to

you

and

Al

a

month

ago.

Holy

cow.

So

anyway,

I'll

stop

babbling,

but

I

also

touched

on

this

in

the

roundtable.

We

get

our

first

Keith

Scream

in

this

song.

So

I

don't

know

if

you

noticed

these,

but

throughout

the

whole

album

he

is

hitting

so

hard

that

he's

just

yelling

at

the

top

of

his

lungs

and

it's

so

loud

that

his

drum

microphones

are

picking

it

up.

That's

awesome.

I

think

it's

at

the

56

second

mark.

So

if

anyone

listening

is

counting

scream

number

one

is

56

seconds

into

the

real

me.

Steve Epley

Then

that

leads

into,

which

is

pretty

much

the

overture

Quadrophenia,

the

track.

Luke Boris

I

have

that

note

as

well.

I

would

compare

this

to

Overture

off

of

Tommy.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

Tommy

has

Overture

and

then

Underture,

which

are

two

of

my

favorite

tracks

off

that

entire

album.

And

then

here

you

have

something

similar

and

we'll

talk

later

on.

But

Quadropheni

pretty

much

serves

as

the

overture.

You

got

a

little

bit

of

everything

in

one

amazing

instrumental

arrangement.

Luke Boris

And

starts

off

with

Bellboy.

And

then

this

is

back

to

what

I

previously

said.

Pete

actually

shows

his

lead

guitar

chops

fantastic.

So

heavy

synthesizers

as

well.

So

what

Pete

did

was

he

played

the

organ

and

filtered

it

through

a

synthesizer

which

was

a

fairly

new

technology.

And

as

far

as

I

know,

I

don't

know

if

anyone

was

utilizing

the

synthesizer

as

Pete

was

at

this

time.

I

don't

know

if

I'm

necessarily

the

best

person

to

be

talking

about

this

album.

I

was

not

born

at

that

time,

but

I

don't

know.

I

think

it

was

pretty

unique

for

the

time,

so.

But

yeah,

the

Is

it

me

Melody

is

then

played

on

guitar.

That's

obviously

from

Dr.

Jimmy,

like

we

said

earlier.

Then

Helpless

Dancer,

the

horns

come

in.

And

followed

by

the

melody

played

on

the

violin.

But

then

Love

reign

over

Me.

The

piano

kicks

in,

ends

with

more

ocean

waves.

You

got

your

motor

scooter

coming

in.

All

of

those

field

recordings.

So.

Steve Epley

So

Quadravino

then

drifts

into

track

four,

which

is

Cut

My

Hair.

And

this

is

kind

of

where

the

story

really

begins.

The

street

again

and

I'm

leaping

through

Just

ride

for

a

beach

fight.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Yep.

It's

the

first

proper

track.

You

know,

you

had

the

real

me,

but

this

is

exactly

where

it

begins,

for

sure.

And

then

we

do

get

another

Keith

scream

right

off

the

bat.

Steve Epley

Really?

I

didn't

notice

this

one.

Luke Boris

Yep.

41

seconds

in.

I

noted

all

of

them.

And

it

looks

like

there's

1,

2,

3

more

in

the

song.

Steve Epley

So

you'll

have

to

send

me

that

and

I'll

put

it

in

the

show

notes

because

I

want

to

listen

to

it

again.

I

want

to

listen

for

the

ones

that

I

missed.

Luke Boris

Yep.

He's

just

an

animal.

Absolutely.

Steve Epley

So

he

actually

destroyed

multiple

drum

kits

recording

this

in

the

studio.

Luke Boris

Oh,

really?

Now,

I

knew

they

did

that

live,

but

I

didn't

know

he

was

doing

it.

Steve Epley

No,

just

in

the

actual

recording,

there's,

like,

little

damage.

Little

damage.

And

then

apparently

when

they

did

Love

Brain

Over

Me,

he

destroyed

his

kid

in

the

studio.

Just

not,

like,

theatrics,

just

playing.

Luke Boris

Sure.

Holy

cow.

That's

crazy.

And,

yeah,

I

just.

Keith

alive.

I'm

sure

you've

seen

clips,

but

he

duct

tapes

his

headphones

to

his

head.

He's

just

a

crazy

man.

So.

I

believe

that

for

sure.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

But

before

I.

Before

an

episode

goes

live

on,

like,

Friday

or

Saturday,

I'll

post,

like,

a

homework

assignment

for

anyone

that's

paying

attention

to

my

Twitter

account.

And

I'll

say,

here's

your

homework

for

the

weekend,

but

I

am

100%

gonna

post

the

YouTube

video

of

Bellboy

with

him

singing

the

vocals.

It's

great.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Steve Epley

It

is

just

absolutely

great.

We'll

get

to

Bellboy,

though.

Luke Boris

Yep,

yep,

yep.

So.

But

yeah,

the

distorted

guitar

part

in

this,

I

don't

know

if

he

was

putting

that

through

the

synthesizer

as

well,

but

sometimes

it

sounds

like

his

guitar

is.

Is

overly

produced

somehow,

so

I

don't

know

if

he's

using

a

bow

I

know

John

Paul

Jones

used

to

do

that

with

Zeppelin,

so

maybe

Pete

picked

that

up

as

well.

But

anyway,

it's

beautiful.

It's

just

another

layer

added

on.

You've

got

your

standard

piano.

You

got

your

synthesizer,

piano,

organ.

And

then

you've

got

these

guitar

effects

that

just

add

ambiance

to

the

whole

thing.

Steve Epley

And

then

they

use

different

vocalists.

You

got

Pete

Townsend

and

Roger

Daltrey

singing

as

far

as

to

kind

of.

It

sets

that

atmosphere

of

the

different

voices

in

his

head.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Steve Epley

So

why

should

I

care?

And

then

just

different

vocalists.

And

this

happens

on

multiple

tracks.

Luke Boris

They

have

beautiful

harmonizing

on

this

one.

And

Pete

did

take

the

lead

for

most

of

it,

too,

so.

And

there

are

some

songs

on

here

where

the

who

becomes

a

trio,

because

Roger's

non

existent

at

all.

And

I

think

those

were

probably

the

ones

that

Pete

felt

most

passionate

about,

that

he

was

the

only

singer.

And

you'll

notice

too,

on

some

of

those,

Keith

is

actually

just

keeping

a

beat.

He's

more

subdued.

Entwistle

isn't

all.

Steve Epley

He

can

be

restrained

when

he

needs

to

be.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

Yes.

So

we'll

get

to

those

two

later.

Jumping

ahead.

Steve Epley

So

Cut

My

Hair

is

where

the

story

starts.

And

it's

Jimmy

trying

to.

He's

describing

how

he's

fitting

in

with

the

Mods.

Luke Boris

Correct.

Steve Epley

How

he.

He's

got

to

keep

up

with

the

fashions.

He's

got

to

get

the.

His

suit

to

be

specific

dimensions

and

look

a

certain

way.

He

doesn't

want

to

have

the

kids

at

school

look

down

on

him

because

he's

not

up

on

the

fashion.

Fashion

was

really

an

important

part

of

this

whole

subculture.

Luke Boris

It

was.

And

I'm

going

to

go

back

to

what

you

said,

something

you

said

earlier.

You

mentioned

that

the

who

actually

started

as

a

mod

band.

Well,

their

very

first

single,

before

they

were

even

the

who.

I

made

a

note

here

of

what

the

band

was

called

at

the

time,

the

High

Numbers.

So

the

High

Numbers,

their

first

single

was

Zoot

Suit

and

I'm

the

Face.

And

you

actually

get

to

hear

the

refrain

from

Zoot

Suit

in

this

song.

They

lifted

the

lyrics

from

their

very

first

single.

Steve Epley

And

on

that

note

is

terminology.

The

Face.

That's

what

the

mods

kind

of

called

themselves

within

the

group.

You

know,

like

they

say,

you

were

out

there

with

the

Faces,

which.

I

mean,

there

was

groups

called

the

Faces

and

such.

So

there

was.

Luke Boris

Odd

fact,

when

Keith

Moon

died,

the

person

who

replaced

him

was

Kenny

Jones,

and

he

was

the

drummer

for

the

Faces.

Steve Epley

Nice.

Luke Boris

And

Rod

Stewart

was

obviously

the

lead

singer.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

Luke Boris

But,

yeah,

Kenny

Jones

was

their

drummer.

For

quite

a.

Quite

a

while

after

Keith

passed.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

I

did

not

know

what,

let's

say,

the

terminology

of

the

face,

you

know,

I'll

be

the

best

face

out

there

sort

of

thing.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Steve Epley

That's

because

I

didn't

know

that.

I

had

to

read

up

on

the

mods.

And

I

would

never

have

known

that

this

was.

You

could

say

this

album

was

written

for

those

people

that

had

grown

out

of

that.

That

subculture.

We

appreciate

it

now,

having

no

connection

to

that.

That

group,

but

still,

it's.

It

was

definitely

written

for

them.

Luke Boris

Yes,

it

was,

for

sure.

And

after

this

one

comes

the

Punk

and

the

Godfather,

which

I

claimed

as

my

favorite

jam.

I

believe

on

the

roundtable,

I

think

you

did

this

song

just.

It

does

it

for

me.

You

said

the

real

me

was

who

at

their

finest.

This

is

too.

This

song

is

just

perfect.

Who?

Every.

If

anyone

ever

says,

if

I

meet

someone

that

doesn't

know

the

who,

I

would

direct

them

to

the

song.

That

you're

gonna

get

a

flavor.

You're

gonna

get

a

flavor

of

every

one

of

their.

Their

talents.

And

it's

just

a

rocker

through

and

through.

Steve Epley

That's

a

good

question.

Someone

who's

never

heard

of

the

who,

where

would

you

direct

them

at?

Luke Boris

What

song

would

you

give

them?

Steve Epley

I

would

probably

say

515.

Luke Boris

Yeah,

515

would

be

a

good

one.

Steve Epley

But

this

one's

good,

too.

Luke Boris

Bob

O'Reilly,

you

know,

won't

Get

Fooled

Again.

I'm

sure

they've

all

heard

that.

But

anyway.

So

anyway.

But

yeah,

this

one

just

kind

of

just

smacks

you

in

the

face.

Just

bursts

in

with

authority.

And

I

mentioned

this

too,

previously,

Pete

and

John's

guitars

almost

sound

like

they're

having

a

battle.

Kind

of

like

the

voices

in

Jimmy's

heads

or

in

Jimmy's

head.

I

don't

know

if

that's

intentional

as

well,

but

the.

So

anyway,

I

just

thought

that

was

neat

and

if

it

was

intentional,

that's

genius.

Steve Epley

Again,

my

note

here

is

classic

who

music.

This

is

what

you

expect

from

the

rock

legends

on

all

levels

for

this

song.

Luke Boris

Yep.

That's

a

great

note

for

sure.

And

yeah,

John

at

his

finest,

too.

You

know,

the

tone

again,

it's

just.

It's

perfect,

so.

And

Roger

actually

harmonizes

with

himself

in

this.

Pete

doesn't

come

in

for

the

harmonies.

He

gets

to

do

both

parts

there.

Steve Epley

And

from

a

story

perspective,

this

is

Jimmy

going

to

see

a

mod

group.

And

in

my

takeaway,

I

guess

he's

disappointed.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

Because

they're

supposed

to

be

this

high

level

of

faces,

and

it's

all

a

show.

It's

all

theatrics.

It's

all

phony.

None

of

it's

real.

Luke Boris

I

had

phony

listed

as

my

description

for

the

band

on

my

notes

as

well.

So

you're

spot

on.

Steve Epley

And

the

band

itself,

the

Godfather

portion

is

like,

tough

shit.

Thanks

for

your

money.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

And

another

note

that

I

made

here,

which

is

a

popular

saying,

never

meet

your

idols

because

you'll

only

be

let

down.

And

then

that's

true.

That's

kind

of

the

tone

you

get

with

this

too.

But,

yeah,

just

Keith

screams

a

couple

times

in

this

one

as

well.

So

I'll

get

this

to

you

after

the

show.

I'll

make

every

time

I

noted

a

Keith

scream.

I'm

sure

I

missed

some

too.

But,

yeah,

Pete's

part

in

the

song,

he's

got

kind

of

an

echoing

effect

and

he's

kind

of

harmonizing

with

himself

on

that

part

as

well.

And

again,

I

don't

know

if

he's

using

a

slide

guitar

or

a

violin

bow,

but

there's

just

a

lot

of

cool

effects

kind

of

just

echoing

throughout

the

whole

thing.

So

it's

a

great,

great,

great,

great

song.

Steve Epley

So

I

love

the

reference

to

my

generation

as

well.

Luke Boris

Yes,

yes,

I've

got

a

note

on

that.

So

not

only

are

they

referencing

the

four

themes

throughout,

they're

also

referencing

their

older

stuff.

So,

like

Zoot

Suit,

their

first

single

from

the

previous

song

and

now

they're

going

to

their

first

album.

Steve Epley

There's

a

bit

of

a

meta

level

to

it.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

And

he

does

that

through

a

talk

box,

which

I

don't

know

how

popular

that

was

at

the

time.

He

had

the

moo

moo

moo

moo

moo

choo

choo.

So

I

know

Stevie

Wonder

did

it

in

concert

quite

a

bit.

Peter

Frampton

years

later,

obviously

did

it

to

death.

Steve Epley

And

this

would

have

been

quite

a

few

years

before

Animals

with

their

talk

boxes.

Luke Boris

Sorry,

you

can't

tell.

I'm

really

into

this.

I'm

just

feeling

it.

Steve Epley

Sorry,

I

already

took

Animals.

Luke Boris

So,

anyway,

inside

one,

if

you're

a

vinyl

fan,

this

is

where.

And

I

think

that's

just

the

perfect

song

to

end

side

on.

Steve Epley

So,

yeah,

side

note,

during

all

this,

as

I

was

telling

you,

I

did

buy

the

vinyl.

Got

it

for

like

25

bucks,

used

on

Amazon.

And

I

appreciate

the

order

and

just

the

set

list

as

far

as

what

ends

and

what

starts

a

disc,

they.

Luke Boris

Did

that

very

well,

for

sure.

And

even

on

the

cd,

it's

a

two

disc.

They

ended

at

side

two

and

side

four,

obviously,

so

it

ends

perfectly

for

those

as

well.

So.

Yes,

I

agree.

That'd

Be

difficult

because

that

was

their

only

medium

back

in

the

day.

But

it'd

be

difficult

to

choose

the

order.

And

especially

for

story

like

this,

that

needs

to

be

told

in

a

specific

order.

So.

Yep.

Steve Epley

You

kind

of

like,

say,

like

the

Wall

ends

their.

Their

first.

They

have

part

one

and

part

two,

and

that

break

is

done.

Well,

you

know,

hey,

hey,

you

starting

part

two

and

stuff.

So

that's

in

that

same

vein.

Luke Boris

Agreed.

Steve Epley

Then

we

go

into

track

six,

which

is

the

one.

And

this

is

Pete

on.

On

lead

vocals

again.

Luke Boris

Yes.

And

this

is

the

who

as

a

trio.

I

actually.

I'm

going

to

do

another

side

Note

here.

In

2008,

I

went

to

see

Eddie

Vedder

solo.

He

was

touring

for

into

the

Wild,

the

soundtrack

that

he

did.

Steve Epley

Okay.

Luke Boris

And

he

actually

performed

the

song

and

just

reinforced

my

love

for

this

album

for

sure.

But,

yeah,

that

was

the

last

concert

I

went

to

with

my

dad,

actually.

And

fun

fact,

he

and

my

uncle

came

with

my

buddy

and

I

and

they

thought

we

were

going

to

a

Pearl

Jam

concert.

And

when

it

was

Eddie

sitting

on

a

stool

with

an

acoustic

guitar,

they

were

so

disappointed.

I

think

they

left

about

halfway

through.

Really?

Yep.

They

bought

these

amazing

Eddie

Vedder

tickets

and

left

my

buddy

and

I

there

so

they

could

go

out

drinking.

So

went

to

the

Cubs

game

the

next

day,

which

was

great.

But,

yeah,

it

was

something.

They

were

so

disappointed

they

left,

but

I

was

certainly

not.

And

I'm

one

by

Eddie

Vedder

is

something

you

guys

should

look

up.

He.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

I'll

see

If

there's

a

YouTube

on

that

one.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Auditorium

Theater,

2008.

Check

it

out.

He

did

an

amazing

job.

So,

anyway,

I

did

see

note

somewhere.

Steve Epley

That

I'm

one

has

become

a

staple

of

Pete

Townsend's

solo.

Luke Boris

I

can

see

that.

Steve Epley

Shows

in

a

fan

favorite,

which

makes

sense.

Luke Boris

Yep.

For

sure.

So

beautiful

acoustic

ballad,

but

they

do

mix

in

some

of

that

classic

who

sound,

you

know,

just

to

not

alienate

their.

Their

fans.

So

slide

guitar

again.

John

and.

And

Keith

are

kind

of

subdued

on

this

one.

This

is.

I

think

John

probably

had

a

lot

of

control.

He

might

have

wanted

to

do

this

one

solo,

you

know,

so

they

kind

of.

Steve Epley

Well,

it

matches

the

lyrics

in

the

story

because

this

is

Jimmy

feeling

part

of

the

mods,

and

this

is

not

him

breaking

down.

This

is

not

him

starting

a

riot

or

something

or

doing

something

crazy

or

fighting

with

his

parents

or

whatever.

This

is

him,

you

know,

I'm

one.

I'm

one

of

you

guys.

And

the

music

and

the

lyrics

match

all

together.

Luke Boris

Now,

see,

I

took

it

a

different

way.

I

thought

this

was

him

realizing

that

he's

not

a

mod

and

he's

one.

With

him,

he's

trying

to

be

an

individual.

Steve Epley

Well,

I

guess

I

took

it

as

it's

one

of

those

things

where

if

you

tell

yourself

something

enough,

you

believe

it.

Luke Boris

You're

right.

Yep.

Okay,

I

can

see

that.

Steve Epley

So

he's

just

constantly.

Because

if

you

look

at

the

lyrics,

he's

asking

people,

where'd

you

get

those

blue

jeans?

Luke Boris

He

looks.

Steve Epley

I'm

a

Gibson

without

a

case.

He's

being

that

phony

that

the

Godfather

told

him

that

he

had

to

be.

So

he's

like,

okay,

well,

then

I'm

the

one.

But

I'm

not

really

sure.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Conflicting

thoughts

going

through

as

well.

So.

All

right,

okay.

I

changed

my

view.

I'll

join

you.

Steve Epley

All

right,

next

we

got

the

Dirty

Jobs

track

seven,

Dirty

Jobs.

Luke Boris

This

one,

Keith

is

hard

at

work,

judging

by

the

screams

that

I

have

listed

here.

So

I've

got

1,

2,

3,

4,

5,

6.

I've

got

7

Keith

screams

on

this

one.

Steve Epley

Oh,

wow.

Luke Boris

He

is

working

overtime.

But,

yeah,

the

synthesizers

into

the

short

violin

strokes

just

kind

of

brings

you

right

in.

I'm

being

beaten

every

day.

My

life's

rating.

Steve Epley

Things

are

changing.

I'm

not

gonna

sit

and

weep

again.

Luke Boris

Entwistle.

I'm

gonna

stop.

It's

just

so,

so

good.

So.

But

anyway,

yeah,

Dirty

Jobs.

Basically,

Jimmy

is

going

to

work

as

a

garbage

man.

Now,

that's

what

I

took

from

the

album.

In

the

movie,

he

never

actually

goes

to

work

as

the

garbage

man.

But

what

he's

realizing

is

that

society

looks

down

upon

these

folks

with

the

Dirty

Job.

So

he

lists

what

pig

farmer,

bus

driver,

miners,

et

cetera.

Steve Epley

But

as

he's

talking

to

these

other

blue

collar

workers,

he

actually,

towards

the

end,

he

blames

them.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Yep.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

That

kind

of.

The

lyrics

kind

of

took

a

turn

for

me

there

where

he's

like,

he's

realizing,

yeah,

society's

gonna

keep

you

guys

down.

It's

just

kind

of

the

way

it

is.

And

they

says,

but

it's

your

own

damn

fault.

Luke Boris

Yep.

If

you

let

them

do

it

to

you,

you've

got

yourself

to

blame.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Steve Epley

So

I

guess

he

kind

of

mentally

says,

I'm

not

gonna

let

them

do

that

to

me,

I

guess.

Luke Boris

Yep.

I'm

not

gonna

weep

again

right

afterwards.

You're

right.

Yes.

That's

for

sure.

It

might

also

signify

that

he's

going

to

rebel

in

the

future

as

well.

Steve Epley

Which

that

leads

into

Helpless

Dancer.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Yep.

Song

ends

with

pig

snorting

parade

in

the

background.

And

then,

yes.

Helpless

Dancer.

The

theme

of

Roger

that

we

talked

about

earlier.

So

the

tough

guy,

the

helpless

dancer

opens

with

horns.

I

don't

know

if

that's

kind

of

like.

That's

supposed

to

be

a

revelation.

I'm

going

to

get

artsy

fartsy

because

that's

what

Pete

was.

So

let's

kind

of

dig

deep.

Steve Epley

Well,

this

one

is

stripped

down

though

too.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Yep.

Steve Epley

This

one

just

relies

heavily

on

Roger

to

do

all

the

heavy

lifting.

Luke Boris

Yes,

for

sure.

He's

again,

just

powerful,

powerful

vocalist.

So

kind

of

relays

Jimmy's

hardships.

Although

the,

the

other

hardships

that

he's

listing

has

seemed

kind

of

minuscule

in

my

opinion.

Steve Epley

I

was

going

to

talk

about

that

later.

As

far

as

his

to.

To

me.

And

this

is

coming

as

a

parent,

Jimmy

is

a

lot

of.

This

is

just

a

rebellious,

spoiled

little

brat.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Yep.

As

today's

youth

would

say.

First

world

problems.

Steve Epley

Yes.

Yes.

Now

granted,

his

parents

aren't

the

best.

They've

got

their

own

issues

that

he

details

in

various

lyrics.

But

he

had

a

job,

he

had

a

fun

group

of

friends,

he

had

social

life,

he

had

your

basic.

What's

going

through

his

head

is

largely

what

every

late

teen,

early

20s

kind

of

goes

through

as

far

as,

okay,

what

am

I

going

to

do

with

my

life?

Do

I

grow

up

and

start

to

be

a

functioning

member

of

society

or

do

I

be

a

deadbeat

and

try

to

just

party

all

the

time?

Luke Boris

Yep.

And

I

can

relate

to

Jimmy

100%.

I

don't

know

about

you,

but

I

think

like

you

said,

a

lot

of

people

can.

Steve Epley

And

I'd

say

this

is.

As

a

parent,

I

want

to

smack

them

side

of

the

head

and

say,

grow

up

man.

Just

why

were

you

whining?

Luke Boris

Tell

21

year

old

Luke

to

not

go

out

and

drink

when

he's

got

a

final

exam

tomorrow

and

he

would

tell

you

screw

off.

So

you

can't

talk

to

youth

either.

They're

going

to

do

what

they

want

to

do

and

hopefully

they

can

get

a

level

head.

Steve Epley

And

also

there's

a

lot

of

drugs

in

this

album.

So

he's

talking

about

the

blue

pills,

amphetamines

and

just.

So

that

doesn't

help

any

situation

that

this

kid's

doing.

Luke Boris

Yes,

agreed.

100%.

Yeah.

Gin,

lots

of

drinking.

So.

Steve Epley

But

yeah,

but

you're

right

though.

He's

trying

to

lump

himself

in

with,

you

know,

racial

inequality

and

another.

Other

issues

in

this

song.

Luke Boris

And

it's

like,

dude,

your

problems

are

not

even

close.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

Your

problems

have

nothing.

Yeah.

So

it's.

I

don't

know

if

we're

supposed

to

sympathize

with

him

on

that

level.

Or

I

think,

see

him

as

delusional.

Luke Boris

We're

supposed

to

see

the

pettiness.

Yeah,

I

think

for

sure.

Because

Pete's

not

a

dummy.

He

wouldn't

have

presented

that

as

his

point

of

view,

you

know,

so

there

are

two

sides

to

the

story,

too.

So.

Yeah.

Steve Epley

And

he

gets

all

cylindrical

about

if

a

man

is

trying

to

change,

but

it

only

causes

further

pain.

So

you

stop

dancing.

Luke Boris

Yep.

And

again,

I

think

the

stop

dancing

signifies

the

rebellion,

again,

because

this

is

Roger's

song.

He's

a

helpless

dancer,

but

he's

also

a

fighter.

Steve Epley

So

this

is

the

way

I

took

it.

The

dance

is

the

functioning

member

of

society.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Yep.

Steve Epley

So

you're

helpless,

but

keep

dancing.

Do

what

you're

told.

Go

do

the

garbage.

Go

do

the

mailroom.

Go

do

those.

And

so

what's

he

going

to

do?

You

stop

dancing.

Luke Boris

That's

brilliant.

Yes,

for

sure.

And

he

did

stop

dancing.

You

stop

dancing.

All

right,

on

to

the

next

one.

Is

it

in

my

head?

Steve Epley

So

I

have

a

confession

to

make.

Luke Boris

Okay.

Steve Epley

There

are

many

times

when

I

did

listen

this

album,

though,

and

I

would

purposely.

This

is

where

I

started.

Luke Boris

Okay.

Steve Epley

And

there's

a

reason

I

like

those

first

eight

tracks.

They're

all

great.

But

track

nine

through.

I

don't

know,

through

the

end

really

just

kind

of.

It's

the

start

of

the

breakdown.

So

it

really

kind

of

kicks

it

into

gear

with

the.

All

the

motifs

start

coming

to

the

surface.

And

each

song,

obviously,

we'll

cover,

but

it's

going

to

be.

They're

all

at

a

very

high

level

musically.

But

this

is

vinyl

Confession.

I

would

start

here.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Steve Epley

I

apologize.

Luke Boris

No

worries.

But,

yeah.

So

this

is

another

example

of

a

perfect

who

song.

I

think

you

touched

on

that.

But

if

someone

asked

what

their

sound

is,

this

would

be

one

to

point

them

to

for

sure.

Steve Epley

It's

got

that

piano

in

the

background

that

emphasizes

all

the

themes.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Steve Epley

And

then

just

the

title

alone

matches

lyrics

as

far

as

he's

trying

to

figure

out.

Is

this

in

my

head?

Is

this

me?

Am

I

the

problem?

Luke Boris

Trying

to

find

the

real

me

if

you

will

I

walk

and

the

people.

Steve Epley

Turn

and

loud.

Luke Boris

Is

it

in

my

head?

Steve Epley

Is

it

in

my

head?

Luke Boris

Is

it

in

my

head?

So.

But

Keith

and

John

are

kind

of

subdued

on

this

one,

too.

They're

not

all

over

the

place.

They're

keeping

a

rhythm

going.

And

even

I

subdued

John

and

Keith

are

still

better

than

a

majority

of

rhythm

sections

out

there.

So.

Steve Epley

Well,

and

this

is

kind

of

the

last.

And

I

could

be

wrong,

but

to

me,

this

is

like

the

last

subdued

one

before.

Luke Boris

Yes,

it

all

happens.

Yes.

The

freight

train.

Steve Epley

The

freight

train.

There

you

go.

As

Pete

said.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Steve Epley

The

freight

train.

Luke Boris

Yes.

The

515.

All

right.

So,

yeah,

Jimmy

sees

a

man

without

a

problem,

but

also

a

country

full

of

starving

people

and

wonders

how

these

can

exist

simultaneously.

So

he's

kind

of

reflecting

self

as

well.

And

all

positive

points

on

this

song

are

actually

followed

by

a

negative

as

well.

Steve Epley

Yes.

So

that

shows

his

self

doubt

and

his

paranoia.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

Throughout

the

song.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Anxieties

of

modern

life.

But,

yeah,

back

to

what

you

said

earlier,

I

think

a

lot

of

people

have

walked

in

Jimmy's

shoes,

if

not

all

people

experiencing

these

things.

So

he

is

not

unique.

But

we

won't

say

that

yet

because

we've

got

to

keep

the

drama

going.

Right.

Steve Epley

So

it

goes

into

track

10,

which

is.

I've

had

enough.

And

this

is,

I

guess,

you

know,

FOMO's

first

breakdown.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Oh,

yeah,

it

for

sure

is

a

breakdown.

There

are

so

many

layers.

This

is

insanity

in

song

form

for

sure.

Steve Epley

This

was

one

of

my

favorites

on

the

album.

Luke Boris

Yeah,

it's.

It's

definitely

yes.

Yeah.

Roger,

his

intro

shows

Jimmy's

anger.

It's

very

tense.

Just

beautifully

delivered.

And

then

the

second

part,

Pete

comes

in

and

actually,

we'll

see

this

part

again

later.

Steve Epley

And

again

and

again.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

You

talk

about

the

jacket

and

the.

Luke Boris

GS

scooter,

describing

all

of

his

mod

things.

It's

very

materialistic.

Steve Epley

As

things

start

to

crash

down

around

him,

he

keeps

telling

himself

that,

I've

got

the

suit,

I've

got

the

scooter,

I've

got.

I

got

the

coat.

Why

is

everything

breaking

down?

I'm

doing

what

I'm

supposed

to

do

with

fashion.

Why

is

nothing

else

working?

Luke Boris

I

should

have

the

girl,

I

should

have

the

money,

I

should

have

all

this,

but

it's

not

happening,

so.

But

yeah.

And

then

right

afterwards,

we

get

the

Love

Rain

or

Me

Tease.

This

is

kind

of

signifying

Jimmy's

want

to

go

or

his

need

to

go

back

to

the

sea

in

Brighton.

And

then

we

get

a

beautiful

banjo

break.

Banjo.

Steve Epley

I

have

it

in

here.

I

said,

I

love

the

drums

on

this

one.

Keith

is

on

point.

Followed

by

a

frigging

banjo.

Luke Boris

And

speaking

of

Keith,

during

the

banjo

part,

is

he

playing

a

bongo?

Steve Epley

I

believe

so.

Luke Boris

I

was

gonna

say

I

didn't

know

if

it

was

bongo

or

he

had

some

sort

of

different

skin

on

one

of

his

drum

heads.

But,

yeah,

it

sounds

like

with

one.

Steve Epley

Of

his

eight

arms.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

But,

yeah,

it's

very,

very

hillbilly

and

just

a

knee

slapper

for

sure.

But

it's

beautiful.

It's

the

who's

version

of

Hillbilly.

Hillbilly

who?

We

go

right

back

into

the

tense

part.

Right

after

that,

Roger

hits

us

again.

And

guess

what

happens

at

4

minutes

and

8

seconds?

Steve Epley

I'm

gonna

go

with

Keith

Whispers

something.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Got

another

Keith

scream.

But

he's

just.

He's

going.

Steve Epley

I'm

not

surprised

I

missed

it

in

this

one.

There's

all.

This

one

has

everything

going

on.

Luke Boris

It

does.

Yes.

But.

Yeah,

he's

just

so

powerful.

Drummond

there.

Steve Epley

Correct

me

if

I'm

wrong.

This

is

the

end

of

the

first

disc,

correct?

Luke Boris

Yep.

And

side

two.

Yes.

Steve Epley

So

this

is

like

the

first

finale.

Luke Boris

It

is.

Yes,

yes,

yes,

yes.

I

think

he

decides

that

he

doesn't

fit

in

with

the

mods

in

this

song.

Maybe

not

decides,

but

is

realizing

that

he

doesn't.

And

maybe

society

in

general.

Maybe

he's

just

seeing

himself

as

an

outcast.

Anxiety

is

building

up

to

this

point.

Steve Epley

And

I'm

finished

with

the

fashions

and

acting

like

I'm

tough.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Bored

with

hate

and

passion

I've

had

enough

of

trying

to

love

so.

Steve Epley

Well,

you

didn't

do

the

Roger

Daltrey

version.

There

you

go.

Luke Boris

No,

I

can't

do

it.

Steve Epley

And

I'm

definitely

not

everything

on.

I

didn't

realize

what

he

was

saying

until

I

read

the

lyrics,

that

last

word.

Luke Boris

It's

passion.

Yes.

He

says

he's

bored

with

hate

and

passion,

but

the

hate

and

passion

come

through

in

that

final.

Steve Epley

That's

true.

I'm

born

with

hate

and

passion

I've.

Luke Boris

Had

enough

of

time.

Yeah.

Like

you

said

in

side

two.

But

I

think

that

we

get

the

hint

that

he

wants

to

go

back

home

and

go

to

his

happy

place.

Steve Epley

Story

wise,

he

wants

to

go

back

to

the

one

time

that

he

had

his

high

point

in

his

short

life,

which

was

a

rumble

in

Brighton,

where

the

mods

had

a

weekend

there,

and

then

the

rockers

were

there

with

their

motorcycles,

which.

I

want

to

talk

about

the

movie

for

a

minute.

Luke Boris

Okay.

Steve Epley

How

weird

was

it

watching

these,

you

know,

actual

bikers,

you

know,

go

toe

to

toe

with

these

scrawny

little

mods.

Luke Boris

And

they

were

getting

their

asses

handed

to

them.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

it

was.

It

was

even.

I

mean,

you'd

see

one.

It

was

just

so

weird

because

you

think

in

this

day

and

age,

the.

I'll

use

more

modern

terms,

but

the

preppy

guys.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

In

their.

In

their

suits

and

their

slicked

hair

versus

the

guys

on

the.

On

the

motorbikes.

It

just.

Luke Boris

It.

Steve Epley

In

today's

aspect,

it

should

have

been

an

ass

kicking.

Luke Boris

I

agree.

But

I

think

at

sheer

Numbers.

The

mods

were

out

in

numbers,

so

I

think

they

had

that

going

for

them.

But

yeah,

and

earlier

in

the

movie,

you

see

there's

a

mod

by

himself

trying

to

fix

his

bike

and

the

rockers

take

him

out.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

And

the

mods

will

leave

a

man

behind.

Luke Boris

Yes,

they

will.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

We're

getting

chased

by

a

bunch

of

rockers

and

our

groups

are

even.

But

one

guy

has

bike

trouble

or

scooter

trouble.

Sorry,

man,

you're

on

your

own.

Luke Boris

And

that

leads

back

to

the

selfishness,

I

think.

The

ego.

But

fun

fact

too.

That

actually

happened.

65

people

died,

apparently.

There

was

actually

in

Brighton.

Yes.

On

the

beach.

Steve Epley

I

figured

there

was

an

actual

altercation

to

go

small

ride,

but

I

didn't

know.

65

people

died.

That's

terrible.

Luke Boris

That

was

on

a

news

headline

that

I

saw

somewhere.

It

might

actually

be

in

the.

The

quadrophenia

booklet

here.

But

yeah,

it

was

an

all

out

brawl

for

sure.

Steve Epley

I'd

like

to

apologize

to

anyone.

That

actually

was

a

mod

and

I'm

dogging

you

guys.

I'm

going

by

the

album

and

the

movie,

so

I'm

sure

there's

a

lot

of

good

people

out

there

that

were

mods.

Luke Boris

Yes,

for

sure.

And

when

I

said

selfish,

I

meant

stand

up.

Steve Epley

Please

don't

do

donuts

with

your

scooter

in

my

lawn.

Luke Boris

Yes,

that

was

an

excellent

point

in

the

movie

as

well.

Oh,

man.

I

actually

really,

really

enjoyed

that.

I

don't

know

about

you,

but

I.

Steve Epley

Did

enjoy

the

movie,

the

whole.

Luke Boris

All

of

it.

Steve Epley

And

I

loved

the

scooters

because

it

was

like

they

had

to

like

trick

out

their

scooters.

How

many

mirrors

can

you

fit

on

there?

How

many

stickers?

And

that

was

so

weird.

Luke Boris

And

Sting's

bike

was

the

cream

of

the

crop.

Steve Epley

That

was

the

ace

face.

Luke Boris

Yes.

GS

on

the

front.

Steve Epley

I

don't

think

he

said

anything

in

the

movie,

did

he?

I

don't

think

he

had

any

lines.

Luke Boris

I

don't

believe

so.

Yeah.

Now

that

you

say

that,

he

just.

Steve Epley

Stood

there

and

stared.

Luke Boris

Oh,

no,

he

did.

He

had

one

line.

It

was

in

court

when

he

said

he

was

going

to

write

him

a

check.

Steve Epley

You're

right.

You're

right.

That

was

a

good

scene

too.

Luke Boris

Yes,

it

was.

That

was

the

perfect

line

to

give

a

judge

for

sure.

Steve Epley

Yep.

Luke Boris

And

I

think

that

was

right

when

Outlandos

the

Moore.

That

was

their

first

album.

Right.

The

Police,

I

think

that

had

just

come

out.

Right.

Steve Epley

I

did

read

that

when

they

cast.

This

is

based

on

the

IMDb

trivia

that

I

was

reading.

When

they

cast

Sting,

he

wasn't

like

a

household

Name.

By

the

time

the

movie

came

out,

everyone

did

know

who

Sting

was,

at

least

in

the

uk

and,

you

know,

they

were

starting

to

come

up

as

a

band.

Luke Boris

Sure.

And

fun

fact

as

well.

The

movie

was

supposed

to

be

set

in

1964

and

apparently

there

were

some

70s

models,

vehicles

in

some

of

the

shots.

Grease

was

playing

at

the

movie

theater,

which

hadn't

come

out

until

much

later.

Steve Epley

They

didn't

have

a

license

to

film

anything

on

the

road.

So

everything

that

you're

seeing

on

the

roads,

other

than

a

few

things

in

Brighton

with

extras,

but

when

they're

riding

scooters

and

they're

getting

wrecked

and

you

know,

get,

you

know,

those

little

beat

up

scenes,

those

are

all

like

guerrilla

filming.

They

like

do

it

before

the

cops

show

up.

Luke Boris

Oh,

wow.

Steve Epley

And

another

reason

is

because

the

helmet

laws

changed,

so

they

had

to

film

it

as

if

it

was

1963.

So

they

had.

With

Jimmy

and

the

Mods

and

with

no

helmets,

but

that

was.

That

was

the

actual

law.

By

the

time

they

started

filming.

Luke Boris

Gotcha.

All

right,

that's.

That's

neat

as

well.

I

did

not

know

that

this

is.

Steve Epley

All

gospel

because

this

was

all

read

on

the

Internet.

Luke Boris

Yes.

If

either

of

us

misspeaks

in

this,

please

don't

judge

too

harshly.

All

right.

Steve Epley

It

might

have

been

covered

in

that

85

page

doctorate,

but

I

didn't

get

that

far.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Well,

I'm

sure

you

got

some

good

tidbits

from

it

anyway.

All

right,

we're

starting

side

three

with

5:15.

So

5:15,

I

believe

is.

Did

they

call

the

train

set

or

is

it

supposed

to

be

like

the

train's

number?

Steve Epley

I

think

it's

the

I'm

on

the

5:15,

which

is

the

5:15

time

slot

that

goes

to

Brighton.

Luke Boris

Gotcha,

gotcha,

gotcha,

gotcha.

That

makes

sense.

Yeah,

because

it's

got

the.

Steve Epley

I'm

out

of

my

brain

on

the

515.

Luke Boris

Yes.

So

out

of

his

brain,

you

can

guess

that

he

has

taken

quite

a

few

of

the

blues

that

we

were

talking

about

earlier.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

So

Jimmy

gets

everything

that

he

has

as

far

as

amphetamines.

He

takes

a

whole

ton

and

just

goes

on

the

train.

And

it's.

It's

like

his

high

trip

on

the.

He's

just

saying

what

he

sees.

Luke Boris

Yep.

And

actually

the

song

starts

off

with

the

chorus

from

Cut

My

Hair.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

Why

should

I

care?

Luke Boris

Yes.

So

more

multiple

personalities

coming

through.

And

that

makes

you

think

too.

Let's

go

back

to

the

artsy

fartsy.

Is

this

coming

from

the

same

personality

that

we

saw

in

Cut

My

Hair?

Is

that

what

that's

supposed

to

allude

to.

Steve Epley

I

think

that

the

four

personalities,

if

we

take

that

as

story

face

value,

they

intersect.

I

mean,

they're

all

coming

up

at

different

points

during

multiple

songs.

So

it's

not

necessarily

one

song

from

one

personality.

It's

intercut.

Luke Boris

Yep.

I

agree

100%.

Steve Epley

Inside

outside

leave

me

alone

In

Inside.

Luke Boris

Outside

Nowhere

is

home

Inside

outside

Where

have

I

been?

Steve Epley

Out

of

my

brain

on

the

fire.

Luke Boris

But

yeah,

we

get

the

back

and

forth

treatment

with

the

vocals.

Again,

Roger

sings

a

part

and

then

you've

got

the

rest

of

them

yelling

back.

Steve Epley

What'd

you

think

of

the

lyrics?

Luke Boris

That's

something.

So

I'm

gonna

get.

Steve Epley

This

is

set

in

1963.

Luke Boris

Yes.

I'm

not

going

to

say

them

because

I

don't

want

to

get

mean,

but

the

eau

de

cologne

part.

So.

Steve Epley

This

was

written

from

the

point

of

view

of

a

young

boy

in

1963.

So

what

he's

seeing,

we're

not

saying

anything.

Luke Boris

So

the

eau

de

coloning,

apparently

when

the

Beatles

came

around,

the

girls

would

piss

their

pants

and

sit

on

the

seats

in

the

train.

No

joke.

I

read

this.

And

the

ushers

had

to

spray

cologne

to

get

the

smell

of

pee

out

of

the.

Out

of

the

train.

Steve Epley

That

makes

sense.

He's

like,

the

seats

are

seductive.

Celibate

sitting.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

So,

yeah,

just

another

little

fun.

Steve Epley

There

you

go.

The

ushers

are

sniffing.

Ew

to

cloning.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Steve Epley

Wow.

Just

for

anyone

that

has

not

heard

the

song,

it

starts

off

with

why

should

I

care?

In

a

very

subtle

tone.

And

then

it

kicks

off.

It

completely

changes

in

full

who

fashion.

You

got

horns

in

there.

Luke Boris

You

got

the

jumps

piano.

Steve Epley

And

then

the

lyrics

come

in

with

talking

about

teenage

girls

way

underage,

sexually

knowing.

And

then

it

just

goes

like,

oh,

wow.

Okay.

This

is

the

train

we're

on.

Luke Boris

Okay,

so.

But

yeah,

again,

yeah,

just

that

back

and

forth.

Roger

sings

something

and

then

the

rest

call

back

to

him.

So.

And

then

I

think

Pete

and

John

are

both

singing

the

high

and

low

harmonies.

So

inside

outside

and

then

Inside

outside.

So

one

of

them's

doing.

It's

either

Pete

and

John.

I

know

in

concert

it

was

Pete

and

John,

but

it

might

be

both

of

those

are

Pete

in

this.

So

anyway,

one

on

each

channel.

If

you've

got

a

hi

fi

system,

left

and

right

channels,

they're

both

screaming

at

you

from

both

sides,

which

is

neat.

The

high

harmonies

in

the

right

and

the

lows

on

the

left.

So

in

that

section

of.

Steve Epley

In

that

section

of

lyrics

is.

He's

confused

as

all

hell.

I

mean,

he's

like

moments

of

Clarity

during

this

trip.

Trip

on

the

train

and

trip,

you

know,

with

the

amphetamines.

But

it's

like,

where

have

I

been?

He's

asking

himself,

like,

what

the

hell's

going

on?

And

then

he's.

Then

there's,

I

guess,

another

portion

of

himself

telling

him.

I'm

out

of

my

brain

on

the

train.

Luke Boris

Yes,

yep.

And

speaking

of

Inside,

Outside.

So

another

little

side

note

here.

I

just

thought

of

this.

So

is

this

a

reference

to

Beach

Boys

Inside,

Outside

usa?

That

could

be.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

that

could

be.

Luke Boris

That

would

be

a

rocker

song

though,

wouldn't

it?

I

wouldn't

see

that

as

a

mod

song.

Steve Epley

I

don't

know.

That's

a.

And

that

was

another.

Well,

I

mean,

that

was

another

takeaway

I

had.

Was

coming

from

our

generation,

all

these

different.

Whether

it's

the

Kinks

and

the

who

or

the

Stones

and

the

Beatles,

I

lump

them

all

together

as

classic

rock,

as

we've

obviously

discussed.

But

there

was

that

brick

wall

between

them,

apparently,

with

these

different

groups.

So

it's

kind

of

weird

in

retrospect

from

historical.

You

know,

we

look

at

it,

that's

just

good

old

fashioned

rock

all

around.

So

Beach

Boys,

I

wouldn't

know

which

bucket

to

put

them

in

because

they're

just

classic

rock.

Luke Boris

Agreed.

So,

again,

I

may

not

be

the

right

person

talking

about

this,

but

I

hope

my

passion's

coming

through.

Steve Epley

I

did

have

a

note

though,

on

this

that

it

has

one

of

the

saddest

lyrics

to

me,

which

is

the

inside

outside,

nowhere

is

home.

Yeah,

it's

just

the

way

that

is

delivered.

It's

just

very

sad.

Very

sad

to

me.

Luke Boris

Roger

does

have

a

very

expressive

delivery

in

his

vocals.

So

desperation

coming

through

again.

Yeah.

Just

how

did

these

four

dudes

meet?

You

know,

if

fate

exists,

this

was

fate's

doing,

putting

these

four

musicians

together.

So.

But

yeah,

again,

contradictory

statements

are

out.

So

you've

got

magically

bored,

you've

got

free

frustration,

you

got

quiet

storm

water,

you've

got

tightly

undone,

sadly

ecstatic

uppers

and

downers.

Everything's

got

a

contradiction

to

it.

Steve Epley

No,

you're

right,

you're

right,

yeah.

Luke Boris

Alluding

to

the

multiple

personalities,

possibly

again.

Steve Epley

And

just

the

overall

confusion

of

this

young

lad.

Luke Boris

Yes,

yes,

yes.

So

anyway,

cut

my

hair

comes

back

in

again

at

the

end.

So

actually

this

was

a

single,

as

we

talked

about

earlier,

the

B

side

was

a

song

called

Water.

It's

on

Odds

and

Sods.

It's

a

B

Sides

album

of

theirs

and

it

is

so,

so

good.

If

you

haven't

heard

Water,

check

it

out,

Roger.

Steve Epley

I

have.

Luke Boris

Not

Roger

Water,

not

Roger

Waters.

Roger

Daltrey

at

his

finest.

Seriously.

Check

it

out.

Passion.

He's

just

grit.

I

mean,

just

awesome.

Awesome,

awesome

delivery.

So

anyway,

can't

say

enough

about

this

whole

band.

Steve Epley

Well,

okay,

then

we

go

into

track

12,

which

is

sea

and

Sand.

Luke Boris

Sea

and

sand.

I've

got

a

soft

spot

for

this

one.

So

I

know

we

had

a

conversation

about

this

a

few

weeks

ago,

but

I

used

to

make

mixtapes

for

my

girlfriends

back

in

college,

and

this

one

always

made

it

to

the

mixtape.

Now,

I'm

not

sure

if

this

was

the

right

message.

Steve Epley

No,

not

at

all.

Luke Boris

But

it

was

the.

It

was

Roger's

part.

The

love

parts,

you

know,

it

was.

That's

what

I

was

looking

at,

so.

And

my

mix

tapes

were

second

to

none.

I'm

telling

you,

it

was

a

ride.

So

this

had

to

be

in

there.

It

was

part

of

it.

Steve Epley

As

much

as

I've

analyzed

these

lyrics,

and

this

song

is

right

up

there.

Yeah.

I

wouldn't

send

this

to

a

girl.

Not

if

she's

listening

to

the

words.

Luke Boris

Yeah,

but

it's

Roger's

words.

Roger's

words.

So.

Girl

I

love

is

a

perfect

dress.

I

mean,

come

on,

who

doesn't

want

to

hear

that?

Where's

every

fashion

gifts?

Steve Epley

But

knowing

it

in

the

context

of

the

album,

it

changes

all

meaning.

Luke Boris

It

does.

So.

Steve Epley

So

Jimmy

arrives

at

Brighton

and

he's.

This

quiet

seaside

town

is

not

what

he

was

expecting

or

remembers

he.

Because

he

was

there

with.

With.

During

the

brawl,

during

the.

The

height

of

the

mod

thing.

And

now

it's

all

just

old

people.

And.

And

now

all

he

has

left

with

him

is

his

thoughts.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

And

he

starts

questioning

everything.

Like

you

said,

the

girl

I

love

is

the

perfect

dresser,

but

I

am

the

one.

I

am

the

face

that

she

wants

her

man

to

be.

Why

am

I

not?

Luke Boris

Yes.

So

ego

is

coming

in

again.

Yes.

He

thinks

that

he

deserves

it.

Steve Epley

And

it's

intercut

with

that

same.

My

jacket's

gonna

be

cut,

slim

and

check.

Luke Boris

Yes.

So

Roger's

part's

more

subdued,

laid

back

instrumentally,

too,

not

just

lyrically.

And

then

you've

got

Pete

coming

in

with

that.

That

ego

macho

part

as

well.

So

back

and

forth

once

again,

just.

Just

flows

seamlessly.

This.

Yeah.

Can't

say

enough

about

this

album.

So

in

the.

Steve Epley

The

bass

and

lead

guitar.

Lead

this

one.

Those

were

my

notes

here

is

that

I.

For

some

reason,

I

really.

I

had

him.

I

had

a

reason

to

write

that

down.

But

that

this

particular

track.

Lead

guitar

really

kind

of

crushes

it.

Luke Boris

Oh,

absolutely.

And

John

and

Keith

are

just

hurdling.

I

mean,

just

Freight

Train

is

The

perfect

way

to

describe

the

who,

they're

just

hurtling

along

and

I'm

the

face

if

you

want

it,

like

you

said,

comes

back.

So

earlier

I

referenced

Zoot

Suit

was

their

first

single.

The

B

side

to

Zoot

Suit

was

I'm

the

Face.

And

if

you

listen

to

their

B

side,

it

is

almost

identical

to

I'm

the

face

if

you

want

it,

babe.

And

it's

just.

Check

it

out

after

this

as

well.

But

it's

lifted

from

their

very

first

single,

so

alluding

to

their

mod

beginnings

once

again.

So

pretty

neat.

Steve Epley

It's

also

kind

of

funny

that

you

said

this

on

mixtape

to

a

girl,

because

the

last

line

is

a

very

important

line,

which

is

nothing

is

planned

by

the

sea

and

the

sand,

so

you

can't

build

anything

off

of

that

foundation.

That's

the

way

I

took

that.

And

so

he

had

built

this

vision

of

the

mod

life

based

on

this

weekend

there.

And

everything

was

gonna

be

great,

but

it

was

built

on

sand.

And

he's

realizing

that

was

all.

It's

all

gonna

go

away.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

And

you

sent

that

to

a

girl?

Luke Boris

I

did,

yes.

But

it

was.

It

was

Jimmy.

Me.

I

was

Jimmy

at

the

time.

Steve Epley

Okay,

yes,

fair

enough.

Luke Boris

So.

So

I

was.

I

was

living

out

his.

His

life

and.

Let's

go

back

to

the

movie.

So

in

the

movie,

the

riot

happens

and

he

does

end

up

having

sex

with

the

girl

that

he.

Steve Epley

He

does,

yeah.

That

was

his

high

point.

And

it

was

also

then.

Then

right

after

it

was

the

something

that's

not

in

the

album,

but

in

it

is

in

the

movie

where

he

actually

gets

arrested

in

Brighton

and

that

starts

his

downfall

trajectory.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Yeah.

Steve Epley

So

anyway,

parents

kick

him

out

and

then

he

quits

his

job

and

then

he

sees

we'll

get

to

the

girl

soon.

I'm

not

sure

which

track

that

is.

Luke Boris

I

don't

know

what

the

actress's

name

was,

but

she

played

a

fantastic

role.

That

was

a

good

choice

of

actor

for

her

anyway.

All

right,

well,

the

actor

that

played.

Steve Epley

Jimmy,

I

thought,

did

a

great

job,

especially

in

his

trajectory

upwards

to

the

peak

where

he's

dancing

on

speakers

and

just

having

a

blast

doing

donuts

in

that

one

yard

with

his

scooter.

Because

he's

all

angry

and

then

his

breakdown.

Yeah,

he's

crazy.

He

did

a

good

job.

Luke Boris

Now,

do

you

know

how

old

Jimmy

is

supposed

to

be?

I

know

you

said

early

20s

earlier.

Steve Epley

I

mean,

I

don't

know

what

the

drinking

age

and

stuff

was

or

the

legal

ages,

but,

I

mean,

he's

got

an

entry

level

job,

so

I

would

say

20

to

22.

Somewhere

in

there.

Luke Boris

Sure.

Yep.

I

believe

it

still

is

to

this

day.

I

believe

18

is

the

drinking

age

over

there.

So

when

I

went

to

Ireland

for.

For

my

senior,

I

graduated

from

Bradley

here

in

Peoria,

so

went

to

Ireland

and

I

was

able

to

drink.

Well,

I

guess

if

I

graduated

from

college.

Never

mind.

Steve Epley

So

you

didn't

graduate

from

Bradley

at

18,

did

you?

Luke Boris

No,

ignore

that

last

statement.

So.

Oh,

oh,

okay,

this

is

what

I'm

thinking.

My

senior

trip

from

high

school,

we

went

to

Canada.

The

drinking

age

in

Canada

was.

Was

18.

Steve Epley

That's

okay.

Luke Boris

That's

where

I'm

getting

mixed

up.

So

anyway,

yeah,

my

buddies

and

I

took

a

trip

up

to

Canada

senior

year

and

it

was

a

blast.

So.

But

then

I

went

to

Ireland

when

I

graduated

from

college

and

it

was

18

there

as

well.

Steve Epley

So

you

just

went

to

the

Illinois

Valley.

There's

no

drinking

age.

Luke Boris

Yeah,

you're

probably

right.

Yeah,

go

to

Crevecore

or

Manitow,

you

know.

Steve Epley

All

right,

then

we

go

into

track

13,

which

is

drowned.

Luke Boris

Yes,

Drowned.

Another

banger.

Right

after

the

end

of

that

one,

which

was

also

just

rocketing.

Steve Epley

So

there's

two

things

that

I

really

love

on

any

album.

One

is

musical

transitions.

So

when

one

track

plays

well

into

another.

And

that's

all

over

this

album.

But

what

I

really

like

is

when

the

lyrics

do

not

match

the

music.

And

when

I

say

that,

I

mean.

So

Drowned

is

a

jam.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

It's

kind

of,

I

would

say

uplifting,

but

it's

more

of

a

rocking

tune

and

it's

a

piano

guitar

jam.

But

the

lyrics

are

completely

depressing.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

And

not

even

a

steady

downhill.

I

mean,

dude

is

now

contemplating

suicide.

Luke Boris

Yep,

yep.

Drowning.

Yes.

So

hence

the.

The

name

of

the

song.

But

yes,

Pete's

guitars

in

this.

He's

playing

multiple

guitars.

I'm

gonna

say

three

at

any

given

time.

So

they're

just

very

free

flowing,

too

organic.

It's

not

like

it's

his

standard

stabbing

signature

sound.

So.

And

John

actually

does

get

a

bass

solo

too

in

this

one

around

the

two

minute

mark.

So

again,

I'm

going

to

say

he's

their

lead

guitarist,

so

I

wish

they'd

turn

him

up

a

little

bit

sometimes.

I

don't

know

if

it

was

just

the

mix

on

the

cd,

which

was

my

primary

listening

device

before

we

started

this.

Steve Epley

So

I

did

read

that

as

Pete

Townsend

is

the

producer

of

this

album,

every

single

thing

to

include

the

Keith

yells.

Everything

is

intentional.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

There

were

no

happy

accidents.

Everything

is

there

for

a

reason.

Luke Boris

Let

me

find

it

real

quick.

I

laughed

pretty

hard

when

I

read

this.

Says

Quadrophenia

in

its

Entirety

by

Pete

Townsend.

That's

what

it

says

in

the

liner

notes.

He

was

not

giving

credit

to

anyone.

In

its

entirety.

Steve Epley

In

its

entirety.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Sorry,

guys.

Steve Epley

Read

directly

off

the

liner

notes.

Luke Boris

Yes.

So

anyway,

but

yeah,

like

I

said,

Pete's

gotten

more

organic,

free

flowing

guitars

going

2:47.

Two

minutes

and

47

seconds

in.

You

get

another

callback

to

5:15

with

the

horns.

We

get

another

contradictory

statement

to

Let

me

be

stormy,

Let

me

be

calm.

So,

I

don't

know,

just

thematic

for

sure.

Steve Epley

I'm

flowing

under

bridges.

I'm

flying

through

the

sky.

Up

or

down.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

So

the

last

minute

or

so

what

I've

written

in

my

notes

is

beautiful

chaos.

It

is

just

so

much

happening.

It's

eargasm.

It's

amazing.

Steve Epley

But

it

is.

And

I

read

it

as

he's

wanting

to

just

go

to

the

ocean

and

die.

He

wants

it

all

to

end.

You

know,

Let

me

flow

into

the

ocean.

Take

me

back

to

sea.

You

know,

it's.

It's,

it's

sad.

Luke Boris

Let

me

get

back

to

the

sea.

Steve Epley

Let

me

be

stormy.

Luke Boris

Let

me

be

cold

at

the

tide

and

set

me

free.

It

is.

But

could

you

see

it

also

as

his

baptism,

like,

washing

all

of

his

cares

away

into

the

sea.

Like

is.

Is

he.

Yes,

he

is

contemplating

suicide.

But

could

he

also

be

just

needing

that,

that

release,

that

redemption?

Steve Epley

He

could

be,

but

I

don't.

I

don't

see

that

in

the

lyrics.

Luke Boris

Sure.

And

also,

here's

another

thing.

Track

one

is

called

I

am

the

Sea.

So

him

becoming

part

of

the

sea,

maybe.

Yeah.

Maybe

that

is

drowning.

So.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

And

I

think

that

it

was

meant

to

be

that

that

first

track

was

the

end,

as

far

as,

you

know,

he.

We're,

you

know,

I

am

the

sea.

He's

remembering

everything

in

that.

So

we're,

we're

foreshadowing,

we're

getting

his

recall.

Luke Boris

Okay.

Steve Epley

As

he's

staring

out

to

sea.

Luke Boris

Gotcha,

gotcha,

gotcha.

Steve Epley

That's

the

way

I

took

it.

Luke Boris

All

right.

Steve Epley

Because

things

aren't

done

for

Jimmy.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

As

we

get

into

the

wonderful

track

14,

Bellboy.

Luke Boris

This

is

just

chaos.

I

love

Keith

Moon.

He

was

just

a

character.

Steve Epley

And

this

is

Keith's

theme.

Luke Boris

Yes,

Keith's

theme.

And

he

just

barrels

in

that

introductory

drum.

I'm

gonna

call

it

a

drum

solo.

It's

amazing.

He

just

is

every

Keith

part

of

drum

solo,

though.

I

think

one

could

argue

that

it's.

Steve Epley

Great

to

hear

good

old

Uncle

Ernie

singing

again.

I

love

it.

He

doesn't

have

range

much.

No,

he's

just

basically

talking.

Luke Boris

It's

an

exaggerated

cockney

accent.

Yes.

Good

job

and

I'm

newly

born.

I've

got

a

good

job

and

I'm

newly

born.

Steve Epley

You

should

see

me

dressed

up

in

my

uniform.

I

work

in

a

hotel.

Luke Boris

All

guilt

and

flesh.

Steve Epley

Remember

the

gas

when

adorns

we

smashed.

I

gotta

get

running.

I

love

it.

It's

great.

So

Jimmy

runs

into

Ace

Face,

who

is

played

by

Sting

in

the

movie,

and

the

guy

that

he

looked

up

to

during

that

weekend

in

Brighton.

Him

and

Ace

Face

and

the

rest

of

the

group,

they

busted

up

this

hotel,

trashed

it,

and

then

now

he

sees

that

same

guy

working

as

a

bellboy

at

that

same

hotel.

Luke Boris

Yep.

Steve Epley

And

it

crushes

him.

Luke Boris

It

boils.

Steve Epley

Just

crushes

him.

Luke Boris

His

hero

is

no

longer

a

hero.

Steve Epley

So

when

you

watch

this

on

YouTube,

it's

great

seeing

someone,

like,

holding

the

microphone

to

Keith

as

he's

doing

this

cockney

thing.

Then

in

his

left

hand,

he's

not

even

looking.

He's

still

hitting

drums

as

he's

singing

to

the

right

in

a

very,

I

don't

know,

Keith

Moon

fashion.

It's

just

wonderful.

Luke Boris

Now,

you

said

that

everything

in

this

album

was

intentional,

and

I'm

sure

Pete

kind

of

succumbed

to

it.

But

he

originally

was

very

adamant

about

him

not

making

this

a

comic

song,

comedic

song.

I

think

it

could

be

argued

that

it's

not

necessarily

comedy,

but

when

you

hear

Keith

doing

that

voice,

you

gotta

laugh.

Steve Epley

Oh,

yeah,

absolutely.

But

then

he

has

that

retrospective

moment

where

he's

like

the

higher

pitch.

Some

nights

I

still

sleep

on

the

beach.

So

it

takes

away

from

the

comedy.

And

then

you

start

to

feel

sorry

for

this

guy

now,

too.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

Spends

his

days

licking

boots

for

his

perks.

Luke Boris

And

you

tell

me

if

I'm

crazy

here.

Is

there

a

theremin

used

in

this

song

or

is

it

just

that

exaggerated

guitar

effect

that

I

was

referring

to

earlier?

Steve Epley

I

don't

know.

Luke Boris

I

couldn't

see

it.

It

almost

sounds

like

he's

got

that

theremin

sound

going.

And

if

not,

then

maybe

he

looped

the.

The

guitar

part

through

his

synthesizer.

But

anyway,

just

very

haunting

noises

happening

all

over

this

one

too,

so.

But

yeah,

and

at

the

end

when

Keith

says

always

running

at

someone,

Pete's

guitar

actually

picks

up

from

there

at

the

same

exact

tone

that

he

was

singing

at.

And

it

just

extends

it

through

for

a

super

long

time.

It's

so

awesome.

Just.

And

for

the

time

1973,

that

was

probably

pretty

unique.

I

don't

know

if

many

other

people

were

experimenting

with

that

kind

of

technique

on

that.

Steve Epley

Did

you

notice

the

dig

at

Jimmy

in

those

lyrics,

though?

Always

running

at

someone's

heel.

You

Know

how

I

feel?

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

Automatically

assuming,

like,

yeah,

you

do

this

too.

You're

one

of

us

in

this

class

system.

And,

yeah,

you

know

how

I

feel.

And

I

can

just

feel

that

dig

at

Jimmy.

Luke Boris

Yes.

But

it

was

also

hypocrisy

because

Jimmy

was

at

Ace's

heel

and

now

Ace

is

carrying

some

rich

guy's

baggage.

So.

Steve Epley

And

I

think

that,

you

know.

And

the

bellboy

was

cool

with

it.

He's

saying,

my

secret

is

I

just,

you

know,

I

keep

it

all

on

the

inside.

Luke Boris

So

he's

a

helpless

dancer,

is

what

you're

saying?

Steve Epley

Yes.

Luke Boris

Okay.

Steve Epley

Absolutely.

Luke Boris

He's

playing

the

dance,

he's

going

along

with

it.

Steve Epley

Bell

boy.

Luke Boris

Oh,

go

get

it

right

now.

Steve Epley

It's

such

a

great

track.

Luke Boris

It

really

is.

It's

fun.

It's

a

blast.

That's

another

note

that

I

made

later

on

for

the

wrap

up.

But

this

album

always

makes

me

happy.

I

always.

It's

kind

of.

Steve Epley

He

didn't

want

to

be

comical,

but

it

is

a

moment

of

levity

in

this,

you

know,

dark

second

half

of

the

album.

Luke Boris

Sure.

Steve Epley

And

credit

to

Keith

Moon

on

that.

If

they

would

have

swapped

it

and

had,

you

know,

Pete

Townsend

singing

as

the

bellboy,

it

wouldn't

have

hit

in

the

same

way.

Luke Boris

I'm

curious

to

know.

I

know

they

did

a

concert

in

the

2000s.

I'm

curious

to

know

who

did

Keith's

part

for

that.

I

know

Ringo's

son

is

their

drummer

now,

so

I

don't

know

if

he's

taken

that

part

on.

Really?

I

didn't

know

that.

Yeah.

Steve Epley

That's

cool.

Luke Boris

Ringo

is

the.

Who's

drummer

now

or

not?

Ringo.

Ringo's

son,

Zack

Starkey.

Steve Epley

That's

cool.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Steve Epley

So

we

go

from

bellboy

to.

Luke Boris

That's

the

end

of

side

three,

by

the

way,

for

the

vinyl

listeners.

So

you

gotta

flip

it.

Steve Epley

And

then

we

get

into

track

15.

Dr.

Jimmy,

which

is

John

Entwistle's

theme.

Luke Boris

The

part.

The

Is

it

me

part.

Pete

described

Entwistle

as

the

romantic,

so

he.

So

when

the

Is

it

me

Part

comes

in

through

this.

And

we'll

just

throw

this

off

right

off

the

bat.

So

Dr.

Jimmy

is

a

reference

to

Dr.

Jekyll

and

Mr.

Jim

is

a

reference

to

Mr.

Hydra.

I

think

that's

kind

of

what

the

two

parts

are.

So

the

Dr.

Jimmy

part

is

the

mad.

No,

no,

no.

Dr.

Jimmy

would

be

the

calm.

Right.

Mr.

Hyde

is.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

by

the.

By

the

literary

reference.

Yeah.

He

only

comes

out

when

I

drink

my

gin.

Luke Boris

Yes.

So

that

would

be

Mr.

Jim

coming

out.

Steve Epley

Dr.

Jimmy

and

Mr.

Gin.

Luke Boris

When

I'm

Filled.

Steve Epley

You

don't

notice

him.

He

only

comes

out

when

I

drink

my

gin.

Luke Boris

So.

But

anyway,

yeah,

I

think

that's

kind

of

what

they're

going

at,

too,

with

the.

Is

it

me?

For

a

moment.

And

then

you've

got

the

other

part,

which

is

kind

of

chaotic.

And

bitter

is

probably

the

best

word

for

it.

He's

ready

for

a

fight.

Steve Epley

He's

ready

for

a

fight.

And

he's

ready

for

all

kinds

of

nefarious

things.

Yes.

Saying

he'll

rape

girls.

I

mean.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Yep.

Steve Epley

I

mean,

damn.

Luke Boris

Yep,

yep,

yep.

You

say

she's

a

virgin.

Steve Epley

I'm

going

to

be

the

first

in.

All

right,

then.

Luke Boris

Hey,

you

said

it,

not

me.

Steve Epley

I'm

just

here.

Luke Boris

So.

But

anyway,

at

this

point,

his

parents

threw

him

out.

His

girlfriend

has

chosen

another

guy

now.

And

that

other

guy

was

supposed

to

be

his

best

friend.

Steve Epley

Friend.

Luke Boris

Yes.

And

he's

drinking

and

using

drugs

heavily

as

well.

So

he's.

He's

on

the

brink

here.

This

is

where

Jimmy

loses

it.

So

heavy,

chaotic

during

the

break

in

the

middle

as

well.

So

another

awesome

bass

line.

I

think

John's

tone,

again,

is

what

all

bass

players

should

strive

for.

If

that

kind

of

tone

was

in

some

other

artist's

repertoire,

I

would

be

much

more

into

the

music.

Hearing

that

on

top

of

adds

a

layer.

Steve Epley

So

I

mentioned

music

transitions

earlier

and

this

one

say

when

I.

When

I

listen

to

it

first

time

through,

I

didn't

know

the

tracks,

and

they

have

teased

Love

Brain

over

me

many

times

throughout

the

whole

album.

I

thought

that

was

next.

I

just.

I

felt

that

that

was

gonna

be

the

next

track.

Luke Boris

Sure.

Steve Epley

The.

As

it

transfers

into

track

16,

the

Rock,

I

was

just.

I

was

expecting.

Because

you

hear

some

ocean

and

I'm

just

in

a

little

bit

of

rain.

And

then

I

was

expecting

those

piano

chords

of

Loving

Over

Me,

but

instead

you're

treated

to

an

outstanding

drum

intro.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Steve Epley

It

comes

at

you

just.

We're

not

done

yet.

I

loved

it.

I

think

the

rock

might

be

my

favorite

track

on

the

album.

Luke Boris

Well,

I

think

the

reason

they

did

that

was

so

that

they

could

actually

include

Dr.

Jimmy

in

that

song.

Because

it

really.

If

you

end

Dr.

Jimmy

and

just

do

the

three

in

the

rock,

you're

not

going

to

get

that

fourth

track

in

there.

So

in

order

to

get

all

four

in

the

rock,

this

is

the

underture.

Steve Epley

Really?

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Yep.

Steve Epley

This

is

that

other

instrumental

that

encompasses

all

the.

All

the

themes.

It's

starting

to

wrap

everything

up,

I

guess,

in

the

story.

This

is.

Jimmy

steals

a

boat

and

he

starts

heading

out

to

sea

and

he

is

going

towards

this

rock

or

he's

on

the

rock.

Luke Boris

Yep.

So

a

rock

in

the

middle

of

the

sea.

So

basically

an

island,

obviously

not

inhabited

by

anyone.

But,

yes,

he's

going

to.

I'm

going

to

call

it

his

happy

place.

The

sea.

I

think

that's

where

I

think

he's

at

this

point.

Steve Epley

Clean

is

a

rough

word.

But

he's

detoxed.

Everything

has.

Because

at

the

end

of

Dr.

Jimmy,

he's

looking

for

something

else.

Something

else

stronger,

something

to

hold

me

down,

something.

He

doesn't

have

it.

So

he

goes

out

to

see.

And

then

when

he

gets

there,

he's

no

longer

drunk,

he's

no

longer

high.

It's

just

him

and

his

thoughts

and

that's

it.

Luke Boris

Yep,

yep,

yep,

yep.

So.

But

anyway,

yeah,

again,

Pete

uses

the

talk

box

here

too,

so

he's

saying

love

reign

over

me,

actually

over

the

top

of

the

bellboy

riff,

so

really

neat.

And

like

you

said,

this

is

a

good

favorite

to

choose.

Everything

is

in

this

song.

It's.

Steve Epley

The

music

goes

over

all

the

range

of

emotions

that

Jimmy

has

felt

all

through

the

album.

Luke Boris

Yep.

And

it

ends

super

abruptly.

And

then

the

storm

begins.

Steve Epley

And

then

you

get

those

chords.

Luke Boris

Yes,

those

piano

chords.

Yeah.

Everyone's

very

familiar

with

the

song,

I'm

sure.

So.

Steve Epley

I.

I

can't

think

of

a

better

album

closer

than

Love,

Rain

or

Me.

Luke Boris

I.

I

think

it's.

It's

pretty

perfect,

especially

when

you

listen.

Steve Epley

To

the

whole

thing

because

it

feels

earned.

It's

not

just

listen.

It's

not

just

a

good

song

on

the

radio.

He's

getting

to

this

point.

And

the

emotion

in

this

song

is

earned

throughout

the

entire

story.

Luke Boris

Yep.

It's

definitely

a

Goosebumps

song,

for

sure.

So.

And

we

should

mention

this

is

Pete's

theme

if

he

didn't

remember

that

from

earlier.

But,

yeah,

it

opens

with

that

piano

part

that

has

been

teased

throughout

the

entire

album.

And

then

come

the

violins

that

everyone

knows

and

loves.

And

speaking

of

vocal

delivery

for

Roger,

just

perfection.

He

starts

with

that

sincere

vocal

delivery,

just

almost.

Yeah.

I

don't

know

if

he

does

this

kind

of

delivery

very

often.

Sincere

is

a

good

word

for

it.

It's

just

very.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

When

you

think

of

the

who,

you

don't

really

think

of

ballads.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Steve Epley

You

think

of

the

band

as

a

whole

in

a

jam

session.

Something

rocking

is.

I

can

see

from

aisles.

Who

are

you?

You

know,

good

old

blues

tunes.

You

know,

stuff

like

that.

You

don't

think

of

a

ballad

where

only

love.

It

starts

out

so

subtle.

Luke Boris

Only

love

can

make

it

rain

the.

Steve Epley

Way

the

be

gets

kissed

by

the

sea.

Luke Boris

But

then,

yes,

we

get

that

gut

scream

again.

Steve Epley

His.

His.

It's

heart

wrenching.

His

scream

on

the

word

love.

I

mean,

it

just

in

each.

Each

time

he

does

it,

it

gets

even

more

impactful.

Luke Boris

And

I

don't

know

how

he

didn't

ruin

his.

His

voice

throughout

the

years.

Steve Epley

I

would

assume

that

he

did

not

go

into

the

studio

the

next

day.

Probably

needed

a

day.

Luke Boris

But

doing

it

in

concert

night

after

night

after

night

after

night.

That's

true.

Just

crazy.

Yeah.

Just.

Again,

these

four

dudes.

Something

else.

Anyway,

and

the

guitar

solo

almost

sounds

desperate

as

well.

It's

got.

Steve Epley

That's

a

good

word.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

It's

got

emotion.

It's

almost

like

it's

telling

you

a

story

so,

so

beautiful.

It

really

is.

Anyway,

I

think

Jimmy

kind

of

lets

go

of

all

those

external

influences

and

desires

and

tries

to

look

internally

to

find

himself

at

this

point.

But

it

does

kind

of

end

ambiguously,

you

know?

Steve Epley

How

do

you

think

it

ends?

Luke Boris

I

don't

know.

I

don't

think

he

killed

himself.

I

don't

think

he

drowned,

as

referring

to

a

previous

song.

But

I

think

he

found

redemption.

I

think

he

became

one

with

the

ocean.

I

think

he

might

be

on

his

path

to

find

the

real

me.

Steve Epley

There's

definitely.

This

is

one

of

the

few

moments

on

the

album

where

there

is

a

little

bit

of

hope

in

the

lyrics.

Luke Boris

Yeah.

Steve Epley

And

it's

hard

to

say.

I

mean,

they

obviously

left

it

ambiguous

for

a

reason.

And

they

did

in

the

movie,

too.

Also

ambiguous.

Luke Boris

Yep.

We

didn't

actually

get

to

see

Jimmy

go

out

to

the

rock

in

the

movie.

Steve Epley

He

drove

his

scooter

off

the

scooter

off

the

cliff.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

Another

fun.

See,

I

hate

to

break

this

moment

that

we're

having

here

about

the

song,

but

my

favorite

part

was

when

Jimmy

pulled

his

own

keys

out

of

his

pocket

and

started

the

scooter

with

it.

Steve Epley

It

worked.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

So

anyway,

just

another

little

thing

from

the

movie

that

was

quite

humorous.

Steve Epley

Let

me

ask

you

this.

Did

you

watch

the

movie

with

subtitles?

Luke Boris

No,

I'm

pretty

good

at

deciphering

cockney

accents.

Steve Epley

No,

I

needed

that

subtitle.

Luke Boris

I'd

like

to

rewatch

it

with

subtitles

because

I'm

sure

I

missed

some

good

parts

there.

But.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

the

scene

where

he

wrecks

his

scooter

and

it

gets

hit

by

like

a.

A

truck.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

And

he's

arguing

on

the

curb

with

the

guy

that

hit

his

scooter.

Man,

that

is

some.

Some

crazy

gibberish.

Luke Boris

Get

off.

Steve Epley

Get

off

it.

Luke Boris

There

are.

There

he

is

on

the

floor

now.

You're

lucky

you

ain't

been

killed

by.

How

lucky.

Steve Epley

Anyway,

of

course

you

are,

you're

bastard.

15

years

I've

been

driving.

Luke Boris

They

were

in

excellent

they

very

accident.

Steve Epley

But

you

got

me,

didn't

you?

Want

to

kill

me.

Luke Boris

All

you

pistol

postman.

Steve Epley

Off,

off.

Luke Boris

Yes,

it

is.

It's

like

Brad

Pitt

in

Snatch.

Steve Epley

Yes,

yes,

it

is.

Luke Boris

Just.

You

have

no

idea.

You

like

bags?

Yeah.

Steve Epley

Why'd

you

say

I

don't

want

to

caravan?

It's

from

your

mom.

Luke Boris

Yes.

There

you

go.

So

anyway,

but

yeah,

I

don't

know.

Just

again,

let's

get

back

to

that

beautiful,

beautiful,

beautiful

way

to

end

the

album.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

I

mean

we've

definitely

covered

every

aspect

of

this

album

and

it's

just

fantastic.

If

anybody

out

there

has

not

listened

to

this,

please

do

so.

This

is

a

beautiful,

beautiful

album.

Luke Boris

Yep.

For

sure.

And

I

don't

know

for

my

closing

notes

here,

I

just.

First

note

I

said

was,

who's

putting

music

out

like

this?

Who

has

since

then

and

who

is

now?

I've

also

got

a

list

over

on

the

other

side

of

my

computer

here

of

other

concept

albums.

What

was

My

Chemical

Romance,

the

Black

Parade.

Steve Epley

And

that

is

what

I

was

gonna

say.

And

that

is,

to

me,

that's

the

only

one

that

has

come

close

and

achieved

a

beautiful

concept

album.

It's

not

a

two

disc

one,

it's.

It's.

I

don't

know,

maybe

12

tracks,

but

it's,

it's

definitely

there.

But

through

doing

this

podcast,

I'm

going

to

go

with

also

the

Flaming

Lips,

the

Soft

Bulletin.

Luke Boris

Love

that

album

too.

Steve Epley

Yes,

that

and

it

was

through

talking

with

Jack,

through

that

album,

I

didn't,

didn't

realize

the

concept

and

talking

with

him

about

it,

like

the

Black

Parade

is

about

death,

but

in

a

more,

oh,

I

don't

know,

depressing

route.

Whereas

the

Flaming

Lips,

they

did

it

in

a

more

uplifting

thing.

Uplifting

point

of

view

on

it.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Yep.

So

a

few

that

I

have

on

my

list.

Have

you

heard

of

the

Decemberists?

Yeah,

the

Hazards

of

Love.

If

you

have

not

heard

that

one,

it

is

a

concept

album

to

the

fullest

extent.

There

is

a

whole

play

happening

in

musical

form.

So

fantastic

album.

I

wouldn't

compare

it

to

Quadrophenia

by

any

means.

Love

the

Decembers.

I'm

not

trying

to

bash

them

here,

but

it

doesn't

touch

Quadrophenia

instrumentally.

They

do

a

great

job

too.

They've

just

got

a

different

style

and

I

do

like

the

more

folksy

stuff.

But

yeah,

Quadrophenia

will

always

be

top

three

for

me

for

sure.

So

Mars

Volta

D

Last

in

the

Comatorium

and

Francis

the

Mute,

their

first

Two

albums

were

both

concept

albums

and

Delouse

in

the

Comatorium.

I

could

do

a

show

on

them,

too.

Or

on

that

album,

John

Fruscianti

from

the

Chili

Peppers

was

the

guitarist.

Flea

was

the

bass

player

from

Chili

Peppers

as

well.

But

yeah,

Mars

Volta

just

has

such

a

unique

sound.

So

layer

wise,

I

think

that

one

might

approach

Quadrophenia.

And

you've

referenced

the

Kinks

a

couple

times

in

this

podcast.

So

Village

Green,

Preservation

Society,

LOLA

vs.

Powerman,

Preservation

Acts

1

and

2.

They

had

a

couple

good

ones

too,

and

they

approach

music

with

humor

as

well.

Kind

of

like

Keith.

Steve Epley

I

think

from

a

production

standpoint,

you've

got,

you

know,

the

top

three

in

any

random

order.

You

got

Tommy,

Quadrophenia

and

the

Wall.

I

mean,

those

three

set

the

standard

for

a

concept

album,

and

that's

hard

to

beat.

Many

have

tried

and

failed.

I

mean,

as

far

as

a

failure,

Sticks

Kilroy

was

here

comes

to

mind.

Luke Boris

Hey.

And

I

wouldn't

call

it

a

complete

failure.

That's

some

good

track.

Steve Epley

But

it

definitely

did

not

reach

the

heights

they

were

shooting

for,

or

at

least

Dennis

DeYoung

was

shooting

for.

Luke Boris

Domo.

Domo

arigato,

Mr.

Roboto.

Come

on.

Steve Epley

I

had

a

friend

in

the

army

who

was

real

big

into.

I

think

it

was

Queens

Reich

and

Operation

Mine

Crime.

Luke Boris

Okay,

was

that

Queens

Reich?

Silent

lucidity

is

the

only

thing

I

know

of

them.

Steve Epley

And

same

here.

And

I

tried

to

listen

to

Operation

Mind

Crime

and

it

just.

It

didn't

click

with

me

at

the

time.

But

he

swore

up

and

down

that

this

is

better

than

the

Wall.

Luke Boris

So

another

one

I

have

on

my

list

loosely,

and

you

can

say

that

about

any

of

his

albums.

Trent

Reznor,

Nine

Inch

Nails,

Downward

Spiral,

Fragile.

Year

Zero

is

one

of

my

all

time

favorites

from.

From

him.

So

that

one,

that's

great

album.

Yeah.

Year

Zero

is

in.

Speaking

of

another

anniversary

coming

up,

so

I

believe

it's

15

years,

so

we

should

be

getting

a

reissue

on

that

one

this

year

as

well.

So.

Got

Pete's

Lifehouse.

See,

I'm

super.

I'm

nerding

out

about

that.

I

can't

wait.

Like

I

said,

who's

Next

Is

fantastic.

But

yeah,

we've

got

Year

Zero

coming

too,

so

two

of

them.

Steve Epley

So

you've

already

done

what,

Episodes?

You

gave

us

a

short

list,

but

what's

another

group

of

albums

that

you

would

have

liked

to

talk

about?

What's

another

short

list

for

you?

Luke Boris

Oh,

man,

there

are

so

many.

But

I

said

I

could

do

one

on

Delos

in

the

Comatorium

for

sure.

Blind

Melon,

Self

titled

Or

Soup

as

well.

Love,

Love,

Love,

Blind

Melon.

Anything.

Pearl

Jam.

The

reason

I

didn't

choose

Pearl

Jam

from

my

first

episode

was

because

one

of

your

buddies

had

already

done

Verses,

so.

Which

was

a

great

choice.

I

probably

would

have

chosen

Riot

act,

but

that

was

because

that

was

my

formative.

Those

were

my

formative

years

for

music

when

I

discovered

that

one.

And

that

was

really

my

introduction

to

them.

Yes,

I

knew

the

stuff

off

of

10

and

verses

and

Vitalogy,

but

really

got

into

them

during

the

Riot

act

years.

So

I

could

just

babble

all

night.

I'd

come

up

with

50

different

albums

that

I

could

talk

about.

But

Queens

of

the

Stone

Age

Songs

for

the

Deaf,

that's

another

big

one.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

that's

a

good

one.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

Anyway,

so

I

do

have

a

question

for

you

that

I've

got

here.

I

know

we've

gone

quite

long

here.

So

when

did

you

find

the

real

you?

The

real

me?

Steve Epley

When

did

you

find

the

real

me?

Luke Boris

When

do

you

really

think

that?

See,

this

goes

back

to

our

previous

conversation

about,

does

everyone

really

go

through

what

Jimmy's

going

through?

Is

he

kind

of

overly

traumatic?

Sighting

is

experience?

Steve Epley

I

kind

of

subscribe

to

the

philosophy

that

everyone

lives

three

lives.

You

got

your

childhood,

you've

got

your

adolescence,

and

you

got

your

adulthood.

And

the

transition

points

are

always

different

per

person.

I

kind

of

had

a

weird

one

because

my

childhood

pretty

much

ended

at

basic

training,

forcefully

at

18.

So

that

was

a

completely

new

life,

new

world

that

I

stepped

into.

And

so

my

adolescence,

for

a

good

10

years

of

the

army

was.

I

mean,

at

20,

I

had.

I

was

a

sergeant

and

had

my

own

team.

I

had

people

underneath

me

training

them,

you

know,

to

do

things,

not

to

die.

Luke Boris

So

that's

pretty

intense.

Yeah.

Steve Epley

And

then,

hell,

less

than

a

year

after

getting

my

stripes,

September

11th

happened,

and

just,

you

know,

shit

got

real.

And

then

you

throw

in

some

trips

to

Iraq

and

stuff

like

that.

So

that

was

my

adolescence.

So

it

was

kind

of

weird.

I

was

forced

into

those

roles

by

choice.

By

choice.

I'm

not

blaming.

I

mean,

I

give

the

army

all

the

credit

in

the

world,

but

definitely

the

current

me

was

when

I

got

out

of

the

military

and

decided

on

Atlanta,

moved

here,

started

my

actual

civilian

career,

met

my

wife,

you

know,

all

that

stuff.

That's

who

I

am

today.

And

so

in

that

Transition

was

around

0607.

Luke Boris

Okay.

And

how

old

were

you

at

the

time?

Steve Epley

26.

Luke Boris

Okay.

See,

I'd

say

later,

20s

is

kind

of

when

I

found

myself,

too,

but.

And

I

don't

have

an

awesome

story

to

tell

like

that,

unfortunately.

So

when

I

turned

20,

I

had

started

drinking

a

lot

and

just.

Steve Epley

Well,

that

goes

with

the

army.

That's

kind

of

implied

with

the

army.

Luke Boris

But

I

think

you've

kind

of

got

to

go

through

that

kind

of

stuff.

So

getting

your

heart

broken,

I

think

that's

huge.

Like,

really

broken.

I'm

not

talking

about

just

a

bad

little

breakup

that

you

feel

bad

for

a

few

weeks

and

then

you're

on

to

the

next

one.

I'm

talking

like

really,

like

heart

wrenching.

I

can't

do

anything

the

next

day

after

this

kind

of

thing,

you

know,

you

need

your

heart

broken.

You

need

to

get

shit

on

at

work.

You

need

friends

to

betray

you.

I

think

that's

everyday

stuff.

I

mean,

that's

what

kind

of

defines.

And

it

may

sound

negative,

but

those

are

negative

things.

But

I

think

they

do

kind

of

form

what

you

do

become.

And

you

can

either

choose

to

be

bitter

about

it

or

you

can

find

other

ways

to

focus

your

energies.

Steve Epley

And

that's

why

I

look

down

on

Jimmy,

because

of

how

he

reacts

to

these

things.

I

mean,

sure,

these,

these

things

are

petty.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Steve Epley

They're.

They're

things

that

every

kid

goes

through.

You

got

a

shitty

job.

Everyone

does

in

their

20s.

You

got

to

tough

it

out,

man.

You

got

to

move

up

the

ladder.

Your.

Your

girl

is,

is

not

your

girl.

Luke Boris

You.

Steve Epley

Well,

you

were

trying

too

hard.

The

sounds

of

it.

Luke Boris

Sure.

He

made

her

one

too

many

mixtapes.

You

see

Insane.

Steve Epley

She

read

the

lyrics.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Steve Epley

The,

all

the

stuff

that

he

experiences.

Everybody

does.

I

mean,

and

if

you

want

to

get

so

like,

you

know,

now

I'm

married

with

kids.

So

the

days

of,

you

know,

pre

marriage

where

me

and

my

buddies

were,

you

know,

out

at

the

bar

a

couple

times

a

week,

you

know,

doing

that

stuff,

that

was

all

fine,

that

was

fun.

I

look

back

on

it

fondly.

But

I

don't

like

regret

having

a

wife

and

kids

now.

I

have

a

whole

new

set

of

adventures.

My

kid

was

just

in

Willy

Wonka

and

it

was

fantastic.

He's

seven

years

old

on

the

stage.

I

loved

every

minute

of

it.

Yeah,

it

was

great.

And

you

know,

he's.

He

wants

to

be

on

Broadway

someday.

Like,

absolutely,

man.

Let's

do

this.

Luke Boris

Very

cool.

Steve Epley

And

I

wouldn't

give

up

any

of

this,

you

know,

if

just

to

have

someone

early

20s

to

think

that,

oh,

just

because

of

a

few

knocks

of

normal

life,

your

life

is

over

and

the

good

days

are

past.

No,

man,

that's.

That's

just

so.

I

don't

know.

He.

He

needed,

he.

He

was

talking

to

a

doctor

at

the

beginning.

That's

a

Pretty

shitty

doctor.

Luke Boris

Yep.

So.

But,

but

yeah,

I

think,

let

me

say

this.

Steve Epley

I

don't

think

that

he

had

any

sort

of

mental

illness.

I

think

that.

I

think

that

he

was

just

a

kid

going

through

normal

kids

stuff

and

through

his

own

decisions.

Whether

through

his

own

decisions,

he

just

progressively

made

things

worse.

Luke Boris

Sure.

I'd

like

to

think

that

Jimmy

moved

on,

went

to

the

military,

found

himself

a

wife

and

his

kids

in

Willy

Wonka.

That's

how

I

think

the

whole

thing

ended.

Steve Epley

He

absolutely

could

have

because

we

talked

about

this

too.

Luke Boris

I

think

telling

a

20

year

old

or

someone

in

that

vicinity

telling

them

what

to

do

is

not

going

to

work.

You

can

tell

them

stop

smoking.

Nope.

Screw

you.

Stop.

Stop

drinking

something.

Screw

you.

So

I

think

that

that

ego

he

had,

that

kind

of.

Kind

of.

Steve Epley

You

know

what?

My

senior

year

of

high

school

I

had

that

same

attitude.

I

did.

And

I

mean

I

was,

I

was

the

one

going

into

the

computer

system

and

changing

my

grades.

Luke Boris

Sure.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

That

was.

We

actually

stole

the

paper

that

the

report

cards

came

out

on

and

we

printed

our

own

report

cards.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Steve Epley

Yeah.

So

I

mean.

Yeah,

I

didn't

give

a

shit.

Just

invincible.

Sure.

And

I

will

be

honest,

the

army

knocked

all

that

out

of

me.

Sure.

And

not

through

what

you

see

on

the

movies

and

television

of,

you

know,

just

fall

in

line

or

you

gotta

do

push

ups.

Yeah.

That

stuff's

there.

It

was

more

having

a

team,

having

people

report

to

you.

So

if

you

are

ready

to

deploy

tomorrow,

these

guys,

they

are

your

responsibility.

And

that,

that

stuff

is

definitely

awakening

for

a

20

year

old.

Changed

my

entire

outlook.

So

when

I'm

out

drinking

with

people

in

the

military,

I'm

thinking,

okay,

how

do

I

get

these

guys

home?

Luke Boris

Sure.

Steve Epley

These

young

idiots.

And

I'm

20.

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Yep.

For

sure.

Steve Epley

I'm

still

literally

underage

drinking

with

my

platoon.

And

I'm

thinking

I

gotta

help

get

these

kids

home.

So

that

was

just

weird

thinking

when

you

look

back

on

it,

when

I'm

not

even

old

enough

to

drink

myself.

And

then

I've

made

plenty

of

mistakes

in

those

early

years.

I

don't

know,

I

just

always

think

that

there

is

just

better.

It's

all

about

personal

responsibility

and

the

decisions

you

make.

Luke Boris

Agreed,

100%.

But

put

yourself

back

in

those

18

year

old

shoes.

Jimmy

never

had

that

military

training,

so.

Steve Epley

But

he

could

have.

Yeah,

he

could

have.

I

mean,

I

don't

know.

Luke Boris

He

made

the

wrong

decision.

You're

right.

Steve Epley

I

didn't

join

the

military

out

of

any

patriotic

duty

or

esprit

de

corps

or

nothing

like

that.

I

joined

because

I

Didn't

want

to

pay

for

college,

flat

out.

That

was

my

reasoning.

Now,

through

the

military,

I

developed

an

extreme

love

of

my

country,

and

I'm

very

proud

that

I

did

all

that.

But

that

wasn't

the

initial.

I'm

not

going

to

fake

it.

That

wasn't

my

initial

reason.

It

was

just,

holy

shit,

college

cost.

Luke Boris

What

are

you,

a

tool

fan?

Steve Epley

Yeah.

Luke Boris

Maynard

will

admit

that

same

thing

to

a

T,

what

you

just

said.

So

he

joined

the

military

because

he

wanted

to

go

to

art

school.

So

there

you

go.

I

believe

it

was

art

school.

It's

been

a

while

since

I've

looked

at

it.

Steve Epley

It

took

me

10

years.

I

finally

used

that

college

money.

So

I've

got

the

degrees

I've

got,

you

know,

I

did

it

all

and

very,

very

happy

with

my

decisions.

And

if

there

is

some

psychologist

out

there

that's

actually,

you

know,

listening

to

this

and

wants

to

come

at

me.

Oh,

mental

illness

is

real.

Of

course

mental

illness

is

real.

People

are.

People

have

legitimate

things.

I.

My

personal

opinion

as

a

network

engineer,

of

all

things.

I

just

think

that

Jimmy

was

overreacting

and

he

couldn't

deal

whether

it

was

through

his

own

bad

decisions

or

the

drugs

and

the

alcohol

that

he

was

just

shoving

down

his

throat

the

entire

time.

Because

you

can't

make

good

decisions

when

you're

doing

that

stuff,

plain

and

simple.

I

can

almost

point

to

alcohol

for

every

bad

decision

I've

made.

Luke Boris

I'm

in

the

same

boat,

but

cheers

to

that.

I'm

having

a

coffee

and

whiskey.

Steve Epley

Just

coffee

on

my

end.

But,

yeah,

I'm

hopeful

that

he

came

out

of

this

album

on

the

right

side.

Luke Boris

I'm

gonna

say

he

did.

We're

gonna

leave

on

a

positive

note

here.

Jimmy's

doing

well.

He's

watching

his

kid

in

the

Willy

Wonka

Theater.

You

know,

he's

just.

He's

grown

up.

He's

realized

the

mistakes

he

made

in

his

youth.

Steve Epley

It

is

so

cool

to

see

your

kid

on

stage

doing

a.

A

full

musical.

It

was

great.

Luke Boris

Hey,

I

want

him

to

do

Tommy.

That

would

be

great.

You

know

there's

a

theatrical

release

of

that,

correct?

Steve Epley

Yeah,

but

I

don't

think

it's

quite

at

the

junior

level.

Luke Boris

This

is

Willie

Walker

Jr.

Have

him

bring

it

back

once

he

gets

to

junior

high,

high

school.

Steve Epley

I

haven't

even

shown

him

the

movie

yet.

I'm

not

prepared

to

say

because

he's

a

very

inquisitive

thing.

This

kid's

pointing

out

the

plot

holes

in

Harry

Potter.

We're

only

at

the

end

of

book

one,

and

I

don't

want

him

to

start

asking

who's

the

Acid

Queen?

Luke Boris

There

you

go.

Steve Epley

Who's

Uncle

Ernie?

Let's

fast

forward

this.

Luke Boris

Fiddle

about,

fiddle

about.

Yes.

Pete

is

not

afraid

to

touch

those

issues

by

any

means.

Steve Epley

I

think

he's

had

his

issues

as

well.

It

was

for

research,

right?

Luke Boris

Yes,

yes,

yes,

yes.

Steve Epley

We

won't

touch

on

that.

Luke Boris

But

he's

still

alive.

Two

of

his

bandmates

can't

say

that.

Steve Epley

This

is

true.

This

is

true.

Let's

see.

So

before

we

wrap

this

up,

do

you

want

to

tell

our

listeners

anything

you're

working

on

or

they

could

find

you

or

anything

you

want

to

pitch?

Luke Boris

Nope.

But

as

I

did

last

time,

I'm

going

to

leave

you

with

this.

Unlimited

Love

by

the

Red

Hot

Chili

Peppers.

Go

out

and

buy

it.

Holy

crap.

Steve Epley

When

did

that

come

out?

Last

month.

Luke Boris

Yeah,

just

a

few

weeks

ago.

Maybe

two

weeks

ago.

But

anyway.

Holy

cow.

John

Fruscianti

is

back,

man.

And

one

of

the

few

bass

players

that

approaches

Jon

Entwistle's

greatness.

Steve Epley

Flea's

outstanding.

Yeah.

Luke Boris

Yes.

Oh,

man.

And

this

is

his

album.

He

shines.

All

of

them

do.

I

mean,

it

is

for

60

year

old

dudes

still

rocking

and

rolling.

It

is

a

stellar,

stellar

album.

Check

it

out.

It

is

awesome.

Steve Epley

Is

this

on

the

level

of

Blood

Sugar

Sex

magic?

Luke Boris

I

would

say

yes.

They

do

approach

some

of

that

older

funk

and

it's

done

perfectly.

John

has

said

in

interviews

that

he

tried

to

let

his

ego

go

for

this

one.

And

in

the

past,

he

was

doing

10

part

harmonies,

he

was

doing

5

guitar

solos

looped

on

top

of

each

other.

I

mean,

he.

Which

is

what

I

loved

about

those

albums,

by

the

way.

Californication

and

Stadium

Arcadium,

John's

production

on

those

is

why

I

enjoy

those

so

much.

But

he

is

still.

That

attention

to

detail

is

still

there

in

the

new

album.

It's

just

not

as

over

the

top.

So

this

is

kind

of

just

a

straightforward

funk

rock

amazingness.

I

don't

know

how

to

describe

it.

You

just

got

to

give

it

a

shot.

It

is

so

awesome.

Last

time

I

promoted

PJ

Harvey.

What

was

it

called

again?

Unlimited

Love.

Steve Epley

Unlimited

Love

by

the

Red

Hot

Chili

Peppers.

All

right,

everyone,

check

it

out.

Luke Boris

Yes.

And

speaking

of

it

is

also.

It's

not

a

double

album

on

the

cd,

but

it's

a

double

album

vinyl

wise.

And

that's

how

they're

describing

it.

So

it's.

It's

a.

It's

a

long

one,

17

tracks.

Steve Epley

Well,

Luke,

I

would

like

to

thank

you

for

your

time

today.

It

was

a

pleasure

to

sit

and

talk

with

you

about

the

who's

Quadrophenia

Absolute

pleasure.

Luke Boris

I

had

a

blast.

Anytime

you

want

to

do

this,

I'm

back.

If

you

want

to

do

a

mixtape,

I

love

song.

Mixtape

podcast.

I'm

in.

You

know

who

to

contact.

Steve Epley

I

want

to

recommend

a

podcast

for

you

called

Playlist

Wars.

Luke Boris

I've

not

heard

of

this.

Steve Epley

Oh,

they're.

They're

good

guys.

The

podcast

community

is

pretty,

pretty

tight.

I've

met

a

lot

of

people

this

way.

A

lot

of

music

podcasters

out

there.

There's

two

podcasts

I've

listened

to

a

lot

with

Podcast

wars

and

Soundtrack

your

life.

Soundtrack

your

life.

He's

actually

going

to

come

on

our

show

and.

And

do

an

album.

He

talks

with

people

about

movie

soundtracks,

Almost

Famous,

Old

Brother,

where

art

thou,

Airheads,

Empire

Records.

Luke Boris

Nice.

Steve Epley

So,

yeah,

it's

a

enjoyable

show.

And

then

Playlist

wars,

they

have

like,

okay,

we're

gonna

do

a

Red

Hot

Chili

Pepper

show,

and

these

two

guys,

they

bring

their

playlist,

and

then

the

fans

vote

which

one

won.

Luke Boris

That

is

a

very

cool

concept.

Steve Epley

Yeah,

it's

really

entertaining.

And

you

get

a

lot

of.

You

know,

I

never

heard

that

one.

Let

me

check

that

one

out.

Luke Boris

So.

Okay,

I

will

definitely

look

that

up

for

sure.

Steve Epley

All

right.

Thank

you

for

listening

to

music.

Rewind.

A

podcast

from

the

Sidereal

Media

Group.

As

I

always

say,

listen

to

the

full

album.

Until

next

time.

Luke Boris

A

podcast

from

the

Sidereal

Media

Group.

Back

to

you,

anchors.