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Round 1 - South Bracket: 1970s Best Movie Tournament

March 20, 2025

Round 1 - South Bracket: 1970s Best Movie Tournament

Cinema Decon - Overthinking Cinema Classics and Cult Favorites

In this episode of Cinema Decon, the panel explores the South Bracket of their 1970s Best Movie Tournament, featuring eight matchups where classic films are pitted against each other in a March Madness-style competition. The panelists watch and critically discuss each movie pairing, offering personal insights, historical context, and their unique perspectives on films ranging from 'The Godfather' to 'Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke'.

The voting process reveals some clear favorites and surprising outcomes. Movies like 'The Godfather', 'Robin Hood', 'Chinatown', and 'Patton' advance easily, while more nuanced discussions emerge around films like 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind', 'Network', and 'The Wicker Man'. The panelists delve into each film's cinematic qualities, cultural significance, rewatchability, and personal memories associated with the movies.

Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal anecdotes, critique filmmaking techniques, and provide historical context for each movie. Their discussions range from technical aspects like cinematography and acting performances to broader themes of cultural representation, genre conventions, and the evolving landscape of filmmaking in the 1970s. The episode concludes with the panelists advancing eight films to the next round of the tournament, each bringing their unique strengths and cultural significance.

Podcast Title

Cinema Decon - Overthinking Cinema Classics and Cult Favorites

Host

Sidereal Media Group

Publish Date

March 20, 2025

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Episode Notes

In this episode we tackle the South Bracket of our Best Movie of the Decade Tournament: 1970s!

We’re diving into a series of epic movie matchups, where each pairing gets a full discussion and debate before we put it to a vote. March Madness Bracket Style! No ties allowed—every decision is final, and trust us, there are some surprises and upsets you won’t see coming. Tune in to see which 1970s classics advance and which get left behind!


South Bracket
1 The Godfather vs 16 Cheech & Chong’s Up In Smoke

8 The Exorcist vs 9 Young Frankenstein

5 Patton vs 12 Dawn Of The Dead

4 Apocalypse Now vs 13 Shaft

6 Network vs 11 Escape From Alcatraz

3 Cabaret vs 14 Disney’s Robin Hood

7 Chinatown vs 10 Monty Python’s Life Of Brian

2 Close Encounters Of The Third Kind vs 15 The Wicker Man


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So, plug in your headphones, grab your popcorn, and get ready for a nostalgic journey through one of cinema's most revolutionary decades. Whether you're a die-hard cinephile or just love a good movie chat, this episode of Cinema Decon is your ticket to the past.


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  1. The Godfather easily defeated Cheech & Chong's Up in Smoke in the first matchup, advancing with a unanimous 5-0 vote

  2. Young Frankenstein narrowly defeated The Exorcist, with panelists praising its humor, clever storytelling, and black-and-white cinematography

  3. Disney's Robin Hood was a clear winner against Cabaret, with panelists praising its memorable characters, music, and nostalgic appeal

  4. Chinatown defeated Monty Python's Life of Brian, with panelists highlighting the film's complex narrative, cinematography, and Jack Nicholson's performance

  5. Close Encounters of the Third Kind advanced past The Wicker Man, despite criticisms about the film's pacing and narrative inconsistencies

  6. The panel's voting process involved subjective criteria like rewatchability, cultural impact, and personal nostalgia

  7. Many 1970s films explored complex themes like media sensationalism (Network), war (Apocalypse Now), and social tensions

  8. The tournament format mimics March Madness, with 16 films competing in a bracket-style elimination tournament

  1. "If you want to enjoy it, you need to smoke a joint, watch the pretty lights and John Williams score."  - Tony

    - Provides a humorous and unconventional perspective on enjoying Close Encounters of the Third Kind, reflecting the podcast's playful tone of movie discussion.

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  2. "I'm mad as hell, and I will not take it anymore."  - Mike (quoting the movie)

    - An iconic quote from the movie Network that encapsulates the film's themes of media frustration and rebellion, which the panel discusses extensively.

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  3. "It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business."  - Tony (quoting the movie)

    - A classic quote from The Godfather that represents the film's themes of family, power, and calculated decision-making.

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  4. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."  - Mike (quoting the movie)

    - A famous line that represents the movie's cynical perspective on corruption and powerlessness, which Steve explains symbolizes the dirty nature of things beyond one's control.

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  5. "When Mel Brooks spoofs something, he doesn't mock it. He does it with such reverence for the original."  - Steve

    - Provides an insightful perspective on Mel Brooks' comedic approach, specifically in reference to Young Frankenstein, highlighting the respect underlying his parody.

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Chapter 1: Tournament Introduction and Ground Rules

The podcast hosts introduce their 1970s movie tournament, explaining the South Bracket competition and setting ground rules for their discussion. They acknowledge the historical context of the films and prepare to evaluate movies from a nuanced perspective.

  • The podcast is conducting a March Madness-style tournament to determine the best movie of the 1970s.
  • The panel aims to evaluate films based on their artistic merits rather than personal controversies surrounding their creators.

Key Quote

  1. "These movies we are about to debate were made over 45 years ago. Many involved in the making of these films have taken a dark path in life. We will try not to focus on that and instead focus on the movies as they are." by Steve

    - Highlights the podcast's approach to discussing older films with sensitivity and objectivity

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Chapter 2: The Godfather vs. Up in Smoke

The panel discusses the first matchup between the iconic drama The Godfather and the stoner comedy Up in Smoke, quickly determining that The Godfather is the clear winner.

  • The Godfather is unanimously considered superior to Up in Smoke.
  • The matchup represents a significant mismatch in cinematic quality and cultural impact.

Key Quote

  1. "It's not even fair. This is like a sub 500, like mid-level conference coming in against like Cooper Flag and Duke." by Tony

    - Captures the significant gap in quality and prestige between the two films

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Chapter 3: The Exorcist vs. Young Frankenstein

The panel debates between the horror classic The Exorcist and the comedic film Young Frankenstein, with a close vote ultimately favoring Young Frankenstein. The discussion highlights the films' unique qualities and cultural significance.

  • Young Frankenstein won by a narrow margin, appreciating its humor and loving tribute to classic horror films.
  • The panel valued the film's intelligent comedy and respectful approach to its source material.

Key Quote

  1. "When Mel Brooks spoofs something, he does it with such reverence for the original." by Steve

    - Highlights Mel Brooks' approach to comedy and genre parody

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Note: This transcript was automatically generated using speech recognition technology. While we will make minor corrections on request, transcriptions do not currently go through a full human review process. We apologize for any errors in the automated transcript.

Tony

The

entire

movie

saying,

what

does

it

all

mean,

Basil?

Every

time

I

saw.

Mike

Over.

Tony

Did

you

say

over?

Nothing

is

over

until

we

decide

it

is.

Steve

Was

it

over

when

the

Germans

bombed

Pearl

Harbor?

Mike

Hell,

no.

He's

not

as

tough

as

he

thinks.

Neither

are

we.

Before

we

dock,

I

think

we

ought

to

discuss

the

bonus

situation.

Tony

This

is

the

business

we've

chosen.

Mike

It's

only

a

problem.

Bud

We

do

have

to

make

certain

concessions

to

the

war.

We're

three

miles

from

the

front

line.

Mike

Prove

that

you

wealthy

college

boys

don't.

Steve

Have

the

education

enough

to

admit

when

you're

wrong.

Mike

Forget

it,

Jake.

Tony

It's

Chinatown.

Mike

Stop.

Steve

Don't.

Come

back.

Tony

Don't

you

ever

interrupt

me

while

I'm

conducting

business

over

your

little

chicken

ass.

But

don't

ever

take

sides

with

anyone

against

the

family.

Mike

We.

Steve

A

silly

place.

Welcome

back

to

CinemaDecon.

Hello,

everyone,

and

welcome

back

to

CinemaDecon.

Deconstructing

and

overthinking

the

movies

of

our

younger

years.

My

name

is

Steve,

and

I'm

joined

again

by

our

panel

of

elite

film

historians

and

our

special

series

to

find

the

best

movie

of

the

decade,

starting

Here

in

the

1970s,

March

Madness

bracket

style.

In

this

episode,

we

will

turn

our

attention

to

the

south

bracket

of

our

decade

tournament.

Our

last

episode,

going

through

the

north

bracket,

took

a

very

long

time.

So

let's

do

some

quick

intros

of

our

elite

film

historians

and

then

dive

into

some

movies.

Our

returning

panel

today

is

Bud.

Bud

Yo,

yo,

yo,

Mike.

Mike

What's

up,

Steve?

Steve

Tony.

Tony

Hey,

guys.

What's

going

on?

Steve

Jamal?

Oh,

yeah,

Jamal

can't

make

it.

Guys,

Jamal

is

actually

not

gonna

make

it

tonight.

He

is

without

power.

Atlanta

is

having

some

wicked

storms

right

now,

and

we're

gonna

press

on

without

him.

But

we

have

a

contingency

plan

of

a

tiebreaker

is

needed.

Welcome

back,

gentlemen.

Let's

have

some

fun.

Usual

big

disclaimer

right

off

the

bat.

These

movies

we

are

about

to

debate

were

made

over

45

years

ago.

Many

involved

in

the

making

of

these

films

have

taken

a

dark

path

in

life.

We.

We

will

try

not

to

focus

on

that

and

instead

focus

on

the

movies

as

they

are.

Plus,

obviously

some

spoilers

for

some

very

old

movies.

Starting

us

off

in

the

south

bracket,

we

have

number

one,

the

Godfather

versus

number

16,

Cheech

and

Chong's

up

in

Smoke.

Tony

It's

not

personal,

Sonny.

Steve

It's

strictly

business.

Mike

What?

Tony

I

almost

gave

you

the

wrong.

Mike

Yeah.

Hey,

man,

I

already

took

them,

man.

Bud

I

mean.

Well,

let's

look

at

this

ranking

real

quick

here.

Mike

I

was

like,

is

this,

like,

the

number

one

overall?

Bud

Yeah.

Versus

16.

Oh,

no.

This

is

number

one

in

the,

like.

Mike

I'm

talking,

like,

the

bracket.

The

full

Monty

here.

Steve

Well,

the.

The

four

number

one

seeds

were

Alien,

Godfather,

Godfather

2,

and

Taxi

Driver.

Mike

So

it's

either

one

or

two.

Bud

So

it's

fourth

overall.

Mike

Those

four

were

fourth

overall

behind

Alien

and

Taxi

Driver.

Tony

This

is

not

a

Virginia

one

seed.

Mike

Yeah,

this

is

like.

This

is

like

duke

in

the

90s

type

stuff

here.

Bud

Yeah.

Godfather

over.

4th

overall,

up

in

smoke.

61st

overall.

Mike

I

can't

believe

it's

4th.

Bud

It's

not

even

fair.

Steve

It's

just

the

way

the.

The

scores

felt,

guys.

Mike

Number,

like,

number

1

1.

The

whole

thing

is

Alien.

Steve

It

was.

Yes.

By

the

composite

score.

Mike

Get

wheeling.

How

many

Oscars

did

that

movie

win?

Bud

I

honestly,

I

like

both

movies,

obviously.

I

love

both

movies.

Mike

Up

and

Smoke

is

a

good

movie,

but

it's

pretty

funny.

I

mean,

especially

the

car

made

of

weed.

Like,

that's

classic.

Steve

I

think

I

first

washed

up

in

smoke

when

I

was

too

old,

so

I

didn't

have

the.

The

nostalgic,

you

know,

attachment

to

it.

Mike

I

didn't

see

it

in

high

school

version

of

it.

Steve

I.

I

just.

If

I

wasn't,

you

know,

when

I

first

saw

it,

I

was

well

into

my.

My

boring

twenties.

Not

even

the

fun

twenties,

but

yet.

Tony

You

find

Monty

Python

funny

old,

because

that's

intelligent.

Steve

This

is

just

stoner

humor.

Bud

Well,

yeah.

Mike

Dave's

not

here,

man.

Steve,

I

didn't

even

smoke

weed

the

first

time

I

saw

this,

and

I

still

laughed

my

ass

off.

But

then

I

hated,

like,

Sublime,

so

it

was

like

a

whole

thing,

you

know?

Steve

Like,

I.

I

don't.

I

don't

smoke

weed

at

all.

And.

And

I'm

a

big

Pink

Floyd

fan,

so.

But

the.

I

don't

know,

the

stoner

humor

just

never

hit

with

me.

I

could

see

why

it's

funny,

and

I

would

chuckle

at

times.

I

do

not

think

it

should

be

in

this

tournament.

But

the

numbers

put

it

there.

Mike

What

was.

Steve

What

was

their

plan

against

their

plane

Was

against.

Mike

There

was.

There

was

a

play

in.

Right.

Steve

Yeah.

Tommy

up

in

Smoke.

Mike

Dude,

Tommy,

you're

the

one

who

put

Quadrifini

in

the.

In

the.

Steve

I

didn't

put

it

through.

The

numbers

put

it

there.

I

tried

to

be

as

honest

as

I

could

so

that,

you

know,

this

is,

you

know,

irrefutable.

I

was

honest.

I

could

have

fudged

the

numbers.

Sure.

Mike

That

wouldn't

have

been

easy.

No

one's

got

a.

Neither

one

of

those

two

are

going

to

the

championship.

They're

a

fun

Cinderella

team,

but

no

one

cares.

Tony

So

for

these

two

movies,

I

have

Seen

them

both

in

the

past.

Godfather

many

times.

No

recent

watch.

It's

obviously

an

all

time

great

film.

I

didn't

watch

it

this

week,

but

I

did

want

to

watch

Cheech

and

Chong

and

I

made

a

mistake.

I

watched

the

wrong

Cheech

and

Chong.

I

watched

Still

Smoking

and

I

laughed

my

ass

off.

And

then

today

I

realized

I

watched

the

wrong

one

and

I

started

watching

up

in

Smoke.

I

just

ran

out

of

time,

but

I

was

laughing

my

ass

off.

You

know,

I

find

that

humor

funny.

I

have

smoked

weed

in

the

past.

I

thought

the

humor

hit

and

I

thought

it

was,

you

know,

on

point

for

the

70s.

I

was

like,

this

is

like,

to

me,

this

is

Broken

Lizard

before

Broken

Lizard.

You

know,

this

is

Super

Troopers

before

Super

Troopers.

Okay,

that,

that

humor.

Yeah,

Half

Baked

Finn

there

too.

I

find

that

humor

funny,

and

I'm

not

a

big

comedy

person,

but

it's

going

up

against

Godfather,

it's

just,

it's

a

tough

beat

for

them,

you

know,

but

it's,

it's

nice

to

see

them

here

get

here

because

I

think

that

Tommy

Chong

and

Cheech

Martin

are,

are

funny

guys

and

they've

made

their

career

off

of

doing

that

type

of.

Type

of

stuff.

And

I

think

it

deserves

a,

A

mention.

But

it's,

it's

going

up

against

the

Godfather,

as

I

already

said.

Bud

So.

Mike

Yeah,

this

is

like

a

sub

500,

like

mid

level

conference

coming

in

against

like

Cooper

Flag

and

Duke.

Yeah,

like,

cool.

Thanks

for

showing

up.

There's.

They

have

like

a,

A

mascot

that's

like

the

Anteaters

or

some.

That

nobody

cares

about,

but

it's

like

fun,

you

know.

And

Duke

beats

him

by

30.

Like.

Bud

Steve,

Steve.

Steve

Yes.

Bud

Hear.

Hear

me

out.

For

science.

Okay.

Steve

All

right.

Bud

For

science,

I

think

you

should

definitely

get

high

and

re.

Watch

up

in

Smoke

so

that

way

you

can

make

a

valid.

Mike

I

think

Steve

should

get.

Tony

You

just

gotta

wait

for

Georgia

to

make

medical,

and

then

you

can

get

medical

science.

Steve

Have

a

gummy

wait

for

science,

but.

Tony

For

science,

if

in.

Up

in

spoke,

they

got

the

whole

van

made

out

of

weed,

don't

they?

Mike

Yep.

Bud

Yeah.

Mike

Yes.

Steve

Listen,

Officer

Science

George

didn't

even

have.

Sir,

put

your

clothes

back

on,

Bible

belt.

Tony

Man.

Mike

They.

Tony

They.

Bud

Well,

they

do

have

a

form

of

it,

but

it's,

it's.

It's

oil.

That's

all.

Tony

Mike,

you

can't

even

buy

alcohol

on

Sundays.

Mike

I

know.

Alabama's

like

that

too.

Well,

you

couldn't

do

that

in

Princeton

either.

I

don't

think

you

could

buy

alcohol

on

Sundays.

Princeton,

Illinois.

Sorry,

folks,

not

Princeton,

New

Jersey.

Steve

Well,

I

think,

I

think

we

all

know

which

way

this

one's

going

to

go.

I

mean,

I.

We'll

save

the

deeper

Godfather

conversation

for

a

future

round,

especially

when

Jamal's

here,

who

I

know

he

is

a

big

fan

of

the

movie.

Mike

Yeah,

this

is

an

easy

one.

Steve

So

we'll.

We'll

go

ahead

and

call

a

vote

here,

bud.

What's

your.

What's

your

vote?

Bud

Godfather.

Steve

Tony.

Tony

Godfather.

Steve

Mike.

Mike

The

Godfather.

Steve

And

I

am

voting

up

and

a

Godfather.

Mike

I

would

say

this

one's

probably

5

0.

Because

if

you

said

Jamal's

like

a

big,

bad

father.

Steve

Yeah,

this.

This.

This

one's.

This

one's

an

easy

unanimous.

Absolutely.

Mike

I

feel

like

this

next

one

is

a

much

longer

discussion.

Bud

Do

you

want

us

to

have

AI

Jamal

give

you

a

vote

as

well,

or.

Steve

No,

no,

no,

we're

good.

We're

good.

Let's

save

AI

Jamal.

That's

our

contingency

plan,

everybody.

We

have

an

AI

bot.

So

if

one

of

us

can't

make

it,

you

know,

could

be

AI

Jamal,

AI

Tony,

AI

anyone.

And

we

will.

That

person

will

cast

the

tiebreaker

vote

if

needed.

So,

speaking

of,

next

on

our

list,

we

have

number

eight,

the

Exorcist,

versus

number

nine,

Young

Frankenstein.

Mike

If

you're

the

devil,

why

not

make

the

straps

disappear?

Steve

That's

much

too

vulgar.

Mike

Display

of

power.

Tony

Carris.

You

must

be

Igor.

No,

it's

pronounced

Igor.

Mike

It's

Frankenstein.

Tony

Frankenstein,

like

doing.

Steve

I

see

who's

leading

us

off.

This

is

Tony.

You

can.

You

could

start

off

your

thoughts

on

this.

Tony

Yeah.

So

you

got.

I

think

this

is.

This

is

very

close.

I

watched

both

these

movies

this

week.

Exorcist,

I

think,

is

a

great

movie.

I

thought

the

performances

across

the

board

were

good.

Even

though

I

think

it,

from

what

I

read

it

messed

up

that.

That

girl

pretty.

Pretty

bad

from

her

time,

but,

you

know,

for

being

her

age

and

things

she

had

to

do

that

was,

you

know,

she

said

some

vulgar.

So

that

was

a

great

performance.

And

I

thought

both

the

Priests

were

pretty

good.

If

you

were

looking

at

horror,

I

would

think

this

is,

you

know,

categorize

them

into

sub

genres.

You

know,

there

hasn't

really

been

movies

that

have

hit

this

sub

genre

of

horror

correctly.

I

mean,

you

could

say

the

Conjuring

series,

which.

Which

did

a

good

job.

But

I

know

a

lot

of

the

Possession

type

movies

are

pretty

awful.

Even.

Even

the.

Some

of

them

in

the

Conjuring

series

aren't

very

good.

Young

Frankenstein,

fun

movie.

You

know,

I

think

that

this

is

probably

the

best

of,

you

know,

that

trio

of

Mel

Brooks

movies

right

there

in

the.

In

a

row

there.

Steve

It's

fun

that,

that's

arguable,

but

I

mean,

it's

definitely

possible.

Mike

It's

my

mother's

favorite

movie

of

all

time.

Tony

Yeah,

that's

just

my

opinion.

They

know

they

did

the

whole

thing

in

black

and

white.

The

story,

the

story

made

sense

even

for

a

comedy,

you

know,

you

know,

Blazing

Saddles

will

get

to

there.

The

story

doesn't

really

make

too

much

sense,

but

you

know,

Young

Frankenstein,

it

makes

sense,

you

know,

and

it

was

funny.

I

thought

the

characters

were

funny,

you

know,

rolling

the

hay.

She's

a

pretty

good

looking

woman.

Steve

Terry

Gar.

Tony

Which,

know,

I

think

we're

going

to

talk

about

her

later

too,

but

it's,

it's

very

close.

I,

I

think

both

of

these

movies

are

on

equal

footing

with

their,

you

know,

subsection

of,

of,

of

what

they

were

trying

to

be.

Steve

I,

I

agree.

For,

for

the

Exorcist,

it,

it

wasn't

as

scary

as

everybody

made

it

out

to

me,

but

when

I

first

saw

it,

you

know,

everyone

that

I

had

heard

talk

about

it,

it

was

just

this

great

horror

movie.

It

didn't

really

scare

me

like

I

was

expecting,

but

I

enjoyed

it.

As

for

the

movie,

it

is,

I,

I

love

some

good

religious,

you

know,

you

know,

Vatican

intrigue

sort

of

things.

You

know,

the

inner

workings

of

priests

in

their.

Sometimes

when

they

have

a

crisis

of

faith,

how

things

work.

Good

Exorcist

movie

always

brings

those

elements

in,

like

the

recent

Russell

Crowe

one.

I

enjoyed

that

a

lot,

I

think.

I

can't

remember

what

that

was

called,

where

he's

riding

the

little

Vespa

around

Italy.

But

I

do

love

a

good

movie

that

brings

those

exorcism

elements

in.

It's

always

just

interesting.

Linda

Blair's

performance,

the

priest,

was

it

Father

Karras?

I

don't

know

who

played

him,

but

he

did

an

excellent

job

as

well.

Mike

The

young

one

or

the

old

one?

I

can

never.

The

young

one,

yeah,

he's

good.

He's

a

good

actor.

Steve

The

practical

special

effects

as

well,

pretty

fantastic.

And

that

alone

puts

it,

you

know,

well

into

this

tournament

though.

That

was

all

just

really

amazing.

Young

Frankenstein.

Well,

let

me

step

back

on,

on

the

Exorcist,

though.

It's

not

really

rewatchable

for

me

though.

I

don't

really.

Mike

When

did

you

see

it

for

the

first

time,

Steve?

Steve

Oh,

I

was

like,

I

was

probably

early

20s

in

the

army.

Mike

Okay,

so

you

saw

it

when

you're

more

of

an

adult.

Yes,

like

as.

Because

I.

You're

Catholic,

right,

Steve?

Or

you

grew

up

Catholic?

Yep,

like

growing

up

Catholic.

And

I

think

that's

the

first

time

I

saw

it.

I

might

have

been

like,

12.

And

when

you

see

that

as,

you

know,

what

your

parents

say

about,

you

know,

Jesus

and

all

that,

it

was

a

hell

of

a

lot

scarier.

I

think

when

you

see

I'm

trying

not

to

bash,

like,

religion

on

this

one.

I'm.

I'm

just

saying,

like,

when

you,

like

when

you're

younger,

you

believe

stuff

more,

and

to

you

for

something

like

that,

you're

like,

holy.

That's

real

life

stuff,

man.

I

better

not

swear

and,

like,

pick

up

my

sister

or,

like,

you

know,

say

Lord's

name,

you

know

what

I

mean?

Like

that

it

scares

you

more.

Steve

Stay

away

from

those

Ouija

boards,

man.

You

never

know

what

could

happen.

Tony

Right.

Mike

I

think

if

you

saw

it

earlier,

I

think

it

would

have

been

more

impactful

as

a

scarier

movie.

Steve

Yeah.

It

wasn't

one

that

was

just

available

in

our

house

growing

up

at

all,

Steve.

Mike

It

wasn't

supposed

to

be

available

in

my

house,

but

when

my

mom

left,

my

dad,

as

we've

discussed

before,

would

be

like,

hey,

let's

watch

horror

movies.

And

we're

like,

I'm

six.

Why

am

I

watching

Jaws.

Steve

Now?

Young

Frankenstein,

I

also

love

quite

a

bit.

This

is.

This

is

actually

a

really

difficult

one

for

me,

and

this

is

the

conversation

I've

been

looking

forward

to.

But

Young

Frankenstein

is

just

fantastic.

Gene

Wilder

just

knocking

it

out

of

the

park,

and

obviously,

you

know,

Mel

Brooks.

But

then

that

supporting

cast,

Cloris

Leishman.

Gene

Hackman

in

a

fantastic

role

as

the

fine

dude.

That's

just

so

fun.

I

didn't

even

know

it

was

him

the

first

time

I

saw

it.

Quotable

left

and

right,

you

know,

with

the,

you

know,

walk

this

way.

It's

pronounced

Igor.

Frau

Brucker.

Tony

Who

plays

the.

Who

plays

the

monster.

Mike

Yeah,

that's

the

dad

from

Everybody

Loves

Raymond.

Tony

I've

seen

him

before.

I

just

couldn't

today.

Mike

But

I

just

know

him

as

the

dad

from

Everybody

Loves

Raymond.

Steve

Putting

on

the

Ritz.

Tony

He.

He

hooks

up

with

his

wife.

Mike

And

when

she

starts

singing,

when

she

starts

hitting

those

high

notes.

Steve

Oh,

yeah,

I

forgot

Madeline

Khan

as

well.

Mike

Madeline

Khan.

Singing

those

high

notes

is

just

classic.

And

then

at

the

end,

when,

like.

Steve

They'Re

all

Peter

Boyle,

by

the

way.

Peter.

Mike

Yeah,

when.

When

they're

at

the

end,

she's

like,

well,

I

put

your

poopoo

poo

poo

poo

undies

in

the

one

basket,

and

it

would

not

with

the

regular

laundry.

And

he's

like,

reading

a

book,

you

know,

this

is.

I

mean,

the

way

they

ended

that

movie,

like,

it's

just.

It's

such

A

good

movie.

Like,

it

really

is.

Like,

I

mean,

I.

I

ain't

gonna

have

any

qualms

about

it.

Like,

I

think

the

Exorcist

is

a

great

movie,

but,

like,

Young

Frank

seems

like

it's

a

movie

I

grew

up

with

because

my

mom

loved

it

so

much

that

we

watched

it

all

the

time.

I

mean,

probably

shouldn't

have

watched

it

at

a

certain

age,

but,

like,

I.

Steve

Didn'T

see

this

until

I

was

in

my

20s.

I

saw

Spaceballs

first

and

then.

So

Spaceballs,

then

Men

in

tights.

And

I

thought

that

was,

you

know,

just

Mel

Brooks

being

awesome.

This,

he's.

Are

great

to

my.

Mike

Yeah.

Steve

You

know,

childhood

mind.

And

then

I'm

in

my

20s,

like

blazing

saddles,

Young

Frankenstein.

Let's

watch

these.

You

know,

History

of

the

World.

Like,

oh,

my

God,

this

man

is

a

genius.

Yeah,

I

just.

It

just

kept

getting

better

and

better

the

further

back

in

time

you

went.

Tony

This

one

I

thought

was

impressive.

You

know,

he's

able

to

hit

all

of

his,

you

know,

comedic

notes

while

doing

a

good

story.

The

story,

I

mean.

Mike

Yeah.

Tony

I

mean,

you're

adapting

a

story,

you

know,

satirically

that

has

been

around

for

a

long

time,

obviously.

I

mean,

this

is

like

the

first.

The

first

sci

fi

monster

that

was

ever

created.

But

you're

also

adding

all

this

stuff.

You

know,

they

get

dancing,

you

know,

a

musical

number.

There's.

There's

a

whole

bunch

going

on

there.

And

it.

I'm

not

a

huge

fan

of

it,

but

it

worked.

You

know,

everything

kind

of

just

worked.

And

I

thought

that

this

movie

was.

Was

pretty

good.

Steve

I

think

that

is

the

one

up

that

it

has

over

Blazing

Saddles

is.

It

has

an

ending,

Steve.

Mike

The

ending

from

Blazing

Saddles.

Steve

Well,

we'll

get

to

that

in

another

bracket,

but

yeah,

it'll

get

discussed.

The

ending

of

Blazing

Saddles,

but

also

I'll

leave

that

one

there.

What

do

you

think?

Mike

Here's.

Bud

Here's

my

dilemma,

and

I'll

kind

of

roll

through

this

as

quickly

as

I

can.

So

when

we're

talking

about

the

Exorcist,

whenever,

when,

whenever

I

see

that,

that

name,

the

first

thing

I

roll

to

isn't

the

Exorcist.

It's

Scary

Movie.

Steve

With

James

Wood,

huh?

Tony

Yes.

Steve

Yeah.

How

did

he

start

making

out

with

the

Possessor?

Mike

That's

ridiculous.

Bud

So

that's

where

my

head

goes

every

single

time.

And

I'm

like,

ah,

okay,

all

right,

that

was

funny.

But

when

we're

looking

at

Young

Frankenstein,

however,

I

mean,

nod

to

Mel

Brooks.

I

mean,

the

guy

is

a

genius.

Spaceballs

is

and

always

will

be

forever.

My

One

of

my

favorite

movies.

I

think

it

was

done

beautifully.

Well,

and

probably

safely

say,

I've

seen

that

one

probably

over

a

thousand

times.

Steve

When

Mel

Brooks

spoofs

something,

he

does

it.

He

doesn't

mock

it.

He

does

it

with

such

reverence

for

the

original.

Bud

Yes.

Steve

And

that

really

comes

out,

whether

it's

a

Western,

the

old

Universal

Hollywood

monster

movies,

or

Star

Trek

and

Star

Wars.

There's

just

such

a

love

of

the

original,

and

it

shows.

Bud

Yep.

Tony

I

agree

with

that.

Bud

Like,

and

with.

Especially

when

we're

talking

about

his,

like,

artistic

tastes

is

as

well.

I

mean,

he.

He

opted

to

do

this

in

black

and

white,

obviously,

for

the

dramatic

effect

of

it.

And

it

worked.

Like,

they

had

to

fight.

Like,

it

works.

It.

It

definitely

changed

the

entire,

you

know,

the

entire

kind

of

mood

of

the

movie.

Right.

Steve

So

their

first

company

said,

well,

just

film

it

in

color,

and

we

super

duper

promise

we'll

release

it

in

black

and

white.

And.

And

then

Melon

and

Gene

were

like,

no.

So

they

shopped

it

around.

And

I

want

to

say

it

was

Fox

that

picked

it

up,

but

don't

quote

me

on

that.

They

said,

oh,

yeah,

whatever.

You

want.

Black

and

white.

Sure.

Because

the

black

and

white

nature

is

a

character

itself

within

the

story

that

puts

it

in.

That

feels

like

it's

one

of

those

old

Universal

monster

movies.

Bud

Yeah,

exactly.

Yeah,

exactly.

Steve

Exactly.

Mike

Yeah.

Bud

So,

I

mean,

that.

That's

how

I

kind

of

go

back

and

forth

on

it.

And

I

mean,

if

we're

talking

like,

you

know,

what

did

the.

You

know,

from

a

public

perspective,

you

know,

what

do

the

public

think

about

it?

I

mean,

let's.

Steve

We

know

it

made

a

ton

of

money.

Bud

Yeah.

400

million

adjusted,

obviously,

but.

And

got

10

Oscar

nods

when

winning

two

Oscars.

Steve

Really?

Bud

I

mean.

Yeah.

Mike

The

Exorcist.

Bud

Yeah.

Tony

Yeah,

yeah.

Steve

You

could.

Tony

That's.

It's

gonna

be

on

pretty

much

every

list

of,

you

know,

top

10

greatest

horror

movies

of

all

time.

Bud

Yep.

Mike

I

mean,

it

must

have

been

an

Oscar

now

for,

like,

screenplay.

Right.

Tony

Probably

Special

effects

and

Special

effects.

Mike

I

was

gonna

say

special.

Steve

Best

Adapted

because

it

was

a

book

originally

and

because

the

same

guy

that

wrote

the

book

wrote

the

screenplay.

I

can't

remember.

William

Friedrich

or.

Mike

It's

kind

of

the

way

that

should

go.

Steve

Your

Benchley,

maybe.

I

don't

know.

It's

one

of

those

guys.

Are

we

ready

to

vote

for

this

one?

Bud

Let's

do

it.

Mike

Yeah.

Steve

All

right.

Tony,

lead

us

off.

Tony

Yeah.

Still.

Still.

Tough

call.

I'm

gonna

continue

my

comedy

bashing,

and

I'm

gonna

vote

the

Exorcist.

Steve

All

right,

Mike.

Mike

Yeah.

Young

Frankenstein.

For

me,

like,

I

enjoy

the

Exorcist,

but,

like,

the

Young

Frankenstein,

like,

is

near

and

dear

to

my

heart

because

of,

like,

it

was

my

mask.

Steve

It's.

Mike

Well,

my

mom's

still

alive,

so

it's

her

favorite

movie

of

all

time.

And

it's

still,

My

mom

still

quotes

it,

my

parents

still

quote

it,

you

know,

and

I

quote

it.

My

brother,

my,

you

know,

my

family,

we

always

talk

about

it.

Even,

like,

my

cousin

Danny,

like,

you

know,

we'll

bring

up

gifts,

and

Steve,

you're,

like,

on

checkers

with

us,

and

we'll,

you

know,

we'll

bring

that

up,

you

know,

because

it's,

it's

an

important

movie

to,

like,

my

entire

family,

which

is

crazy

to

say

because

it's

a

movie.

Right.

Steve

So

who's

me?

So

I

am

going

to

vote

Young

Frankenstein.

I

went

back

and

forth

on

this

quite

a

bit,

you

know,

from

cultural

impact

to,

you

know,

cinematic

quality,

rewatchability,

everything.

But

just

Young

Frankenstein

is

one

that

I'm

going

to

go

back

to

many

times

over.

And

I

have

no

desire

to

go

watch

the

Exorcist

again.

And

that,

that

is

a

big

part

of

how

I,

you

know,

vote

in.

This

is

the

rewatch

ability

of

some

of

these.

And

also

a

shout

out

to

the

Young

Frankenstein

musical

if

it

comes

your

way.

It

is

hilarious.

They

have

a

whole

song

called

Rolling

the

Hay.

It's

great.

Yeah,

they

transfer

over

the

horses

gag

with

Frau

Bruker,

so

it's

great.

It

is

really

good.

So,

Bruka.

Yeah.

So

my

vote

is

Young

Frankenstein,

bud.

Bud

All

right,

all

right,

all

right,

all

right.

So,

so

I'm,

I

know

that

this

is

what

goes

through

my

head.

I

know

that

if

I

vote

for

what

I,

I'm

pretty

sure

what

I

want

to

vote

for,

then

that's

going

to

put

us

in

a

position

to

where

AI

Jamal

is

going

to

have

to

get

involved.

Mike

I

think

I

know

how

that's

going

then.

Bud

So

I'm

trying

to

decide

am

I

gonna,

am

I

gonna,

am

I

just,

just

gonna

stop

the

bleeding

or

am

I

gonna

allow

this

to

go

all

the

way?

That,

that's

where

my

head's

at

right

now.

That's

what

I'm

trying

to

figure

out,

which

one

I

want

to

do.

Tony

Gotta

vote

for

what

you

think

is

the

best

movie,

man.

Bud

Honestly,

like,

I,

I,

I

am

gonna

say

Young

Frankenstein.

Yeah,

for

sure.

Yeah.

No,

I

mean,

it's,

it's,

honestly,

between

the

two

movies,

it's,

it's

the

one

I

think

that

I

always,

I

go

back

to

the

most

out

of

the.

Mike

Two,

and

that's

A

pretty

close.

Like

overall

number

29

and

36.

Is

that

the

closest?

8.

Steve

9,

Steve,

as

far

as

the

overall

listing?

Mike

Yeah.

Bud

Yeah.

Mike

Oh,

carrying

Kramer

versus

Kramer

is

31.34.

Steve

Did

I

send

you

guys

that

full

list?

I

don't

remember,

but

it's.

Mike

It's

on.

It's

on

the.

It's

on

the.

Yeah,

it's

on

the

bracket

and

it

says

it

on

the

side.

Steve

Okay.

Yeah,

that's.

Oh,

yeah,

yeah.

Mike

So

it's

within

seven,

but

it's

not

the

closest

out

of

the

eight.

Nine.

Tony

I

didn't

look

at

any

of

that

stuff.

I

just

watched

the

two

movies

this

week

and.

And

I'm

just

on.

On

Vape.

They're.

They're.

They're

right

there,

neck

and

neck.

Mike

Yeah.

Steve

Yeah,

this

was.

This

was

not

an

easy

decision.

So

it's.

It's.

Either

way,

it

would

have

gone.

It's

like,

okay,

good

with

it,

but.

Mike

Great

to

get

your

ass

kicked

by

the

Godfather

second

round.

We

talked

about

you

now.

Steve

All

right,

so

moving

on,

we've.

Next

we've

got

number

five,

Patton

versus

number

12,

dawn

of

the

Dead.

Mike

Where

you

going,

General

Berlin?

Steve

I'm

going

to

personally

shoot

that

paper.

Tony

Hanging

son

of

a.

When

there's

no

more

room

in

hell.

Mike

The

dead

will

walk

here.

Yeah,

this

was.

This

is

an

interesting

matchup.

Like,

you

know,

you

got

like

a

World

War

II

general

that

everybody

in

the

world

knows,

you

know,

story

against,

you

know,

zombies.

And

it's

a

tough

one,

I

think,

for

me,

because

it's

like,

well,

they're.

They're

so

different.

Like,

it's

not

even

close

to,

like,

it's

not

like

it

was

Young

Frankenstein

versus,

like

Exorcist

because,

like,

yeah,

it's

a

comedy

versus

a

horror

movie.

But

like,

they're

both

like

kind

of.

They're.

They're

kind

of

like,

kind

of

dark.

You

know,

this

is

just

like

the

original.

This

is

the

George

Romero

one,

right?

Like,

okay,

you

know,

this

guy

created

like

the

genre

against,

you

know,

one

of

the

greatest.

Like,

you

know,

acting

as

a.

As

a

military

person,

like,

ever.

I

mean,

you

know,

personally,

I.

I'm

always

like

a

big

zombie

guy,

so

it's

kind

of

tough

for

me.

But

I

also

love

World

War

II

and

like,

war

movies

and

historic

fiction,

if

you

want

to

call

it

that,

you

know,

like

historic

non

fiction.

So

it's.

That

it's

tough.

Like,

I

mean,

I'm

not

gonna

give

my

vote

away

or

anything,

but

I

feel

like

as

a

grandson

of

two,

you

know,

Army

World

War

II

vets,

that

one

was

at

D

Day.

Another

one

took

on

Rommel

in

Africa.

It's

a

tough,

there's,

it's

kind

of

like

I

feel

like

my

grandfathers

would

come

out

of

the

grave

if

I

voted

for

zombies.

Which

is

kind

of

funny

in

a

way.

You

know.

Bud

How

real

do

you

want

this

decision

to

be?

Mike

So,

yeah,

I

mean

they're

just,

they're

so.

This

one's

so

different.

Steve

I

kind

of

went

in

the

same

way.

I

mean,

I'm

a

big

fan

of

the

patent

movie.

I've

loved

it

for

years.

You

know,

ever

since

I

was

obviously

in

the

service.

I've,

I

had

seen

the

Zack

Snyder

dawn

of

the

Dead

and

I

enjoyed

it

several

years

ago.

Yeah,

I,

I,

with

the,

with

the

mall

and

stuff,

but

I

had

never

seen

the

original.

I'd

only

seen

Night

of

the

Living

Dead,

the

black

and

white

one,

which

I

enjoyed.

So

I,

I

did.

I

was

able

to

get

dawn

of

the

Dead,

watch

it

on

YouTube

and

I

was

impressed.

It

was

so.

It's

making

my

decision

much

harder

on

this

one

to

touch

on

Patton.

I've

always

loved

it

for

one.

George

C.

Scott's

portrayal

of

the

man

is

how

I

will

always

see

him.

It's

one

of

those.

That

is

how

I

know

Patton.

If

I

read

it.

Yeah.

If

I

read

it

in

a

book,

I'm

visualizing

George

C.

Scott

in

the

role.

Mike

100.

It's

so

weird,

ain't

it?

Steve

And

not

just

standing

in

front

of

the

American

flag.

I

mean

just

there's

so

many

different

scenes

and

one

liners

that

are

honest

to

the

time.

Like

where

he's

the,

the

shell

shock

soldier

and

he's

slapping

him,

calling

him

a

coward,

saying,

get

out

there,

I'm

going

to

shoot

you

myself.

You

know,

today

we

have

a

much

different

perception

of

PTSD

and

what

can

happen,

but

at

the

time

that,

I

mean

it's,

it

was

a

real

scene.

So

you

can

view

that

as,

I

don't

know,

he's,

he's

almost

like

the

Ty

Cobb

of

generals.

It's

like

he

was

just

so

good

at

it.

But

yes,

he

was

an.

And

it

was

portrayed

so

well

in,

in

that,

by

that

actor.

And

I

can't

remember

the

guy's

name,

but

the

guy

that

played

Omar

Bradley

loved

him

too.

But

I,

I

loved,

you

know,

the,

the

race

through

Sicily,

the,

you

know,

this,

the

saving

of

the,

the

Battle

of

the

Bulge.

All

this,

all

that

stuff

was

done

so

well.

And

the

hinting

that

he

might

have

been

assassinated.

It's,

it's

a

long

movie.

It's

not

short.

You

gotta,

you

gotta

commit

to

it.

But

it

is

really

A

great

movie

if

you're

a

World

War

II

history

buff,

especially

if

you

know

the

timeline

of

World

War

II

before

you

go

in.

If

you

don't,

they're

not

gonna

catch

you

up.

You

gotta

know

how

things

go.

Dawn

of

the

Dead,

the

zombie

makeup

today

is

obviously

much

better.

Putting

that

flat

out

there.

But

what

this

movie

does

really

well,

almost

better

than

a

lot

of

the

Walking

Dead,

is

the.

The

real

enemy

is

not

the

zombies

thing.

It's

people.

It's

how

people

act

and

how

they,

you

know,

like,

they

find

that

super

not

supermarket

shopping

center,

the

mall,

and

they

take

it

over.

But

then

the

bikers

come

and

the

bikers

really

mess

things

up

and,

you

know,

just.

It's

so

the.

The

real

danger

is

actually

the.

The

factions

of

people,

how

people

are

reacting

to

society

collapsing.

I

mean,

there's.

They're

like

mocking

the

zombies

at

some

points

in

the

movie

and

you

almost

feel

sorry

for

the

zombies

despite,

you

know

that.

So

they

do

a

good

job

of

film

making

and

showing

and

making

you

feel

sympathy

for

these

monsters.

It's

really

kind

of

neat

in

that.

Mike

Aspect,

I

will

say,

Steve.

Like

that,

you

know,

like,

that's

what

makes

like

the

Last

of

Us

such

a

good

show

in

game

is

it's

not

about

the

mushroom

people.

It's

about,

like,

how

instantly

people,

like,

turn.

And

I

do

like

that

you

brought

up

Ty

Cobb

because

Patton's

the

same

way

as

Ty

Cobb.

Because

anytime

I

read

anything

about

Ty

Cobb,

all

I

can

in

my

mind

is

Tommy

Lee

Jones.

Yeah,

like,

from

the

Ty

Cobb

movie.

Like,

and

he

is

a

God.

Is

he

a

motherfucker?

Like,

and

you're

like,

you

know,

he's

one

of

the

best

baseball

players

of

all

time.

But

if

you

just

wanted

to

punch

him

in

the

face

and

he.

That's

what.

Tommy

Lee

Jones

did

such

great

job

in

that

movie.

Because

if

you

got

pissed

at

somebody

by

acting

as

that

person,

like,

that's

a

good

job.

Bud

Like,

to

me.

Mike

And

then

when

you

brought

that

up,

I

was

like,

that's

such

a

great

point.

Like,

it's

a

good

tie

in

to

t.

To

Ty

Cobb

too.

Steve

Both

of.

So

the

actual

people

themselves

that

they

were

playing

so

good

at

their

jobs.

Ty

Cobb,

fantastic

baseball

player.

Patton,

one

of

the

best

generals

America

has

ever

had.

But

both

of

them

were

very

flawed

individuals

on

the

personality

and

humanity

side.

I'll

say.

Bud

I

think

there's

several

people

in

history

we

can.

We

can

relate

that

to

as

well.

Steve

True.

Bud

Let's

see.

I

mean,

I

do

like

myself

a

good

war

movie.

And

Patton

was.

Was

well

done.

I

thought

it

was

a

good

movie.

But

then

we

got

dawn

of

the

Dead,

and

I'm

a

huge

zombie

movie

show

fan.

I

think

it's

great.

But

then

at

the

same

time,

I

feel

a

little.

A

little

bougie

about

it.

And

so

you

go

to

watch

a

70s

zombie

movie,

it's

not

quite

the

same.

Steve

That

gray

face

paint.

Bud

Yeah.

Steve

It

doesn't

quite

give

you

the

horror

when

the.

The

makeup,

like

what

Night

of

the

Living

Dead

in

black

and

white

looked

better

because

it

was

in

black

and

white.

Bud

It

was

exactly.

Yeah.

Steve

So

when

you

got

it

in

color,

that's

why

the

movie

gets

more

interesting

when

the

people

start

fighting.

Bud

Right,

right.

So,

yeah,

I

mean,

to

me,

at

the

end

of

this,

I.

I

like

my

war

movies,

so

that's

probably

where

I'm

gonna

go.

Steve

What

do

you

think,

Tony?

Tony

Okay.

First

time

watch

of

both

of

these

movies.

I

had.

Like

you,

I

had

seen

Night

of.

But

not

this

one

with

Patton.

I

think

it's.

You

know,

I'm

a

big

World

War

II

buff.

I'm

a

big

war

movie

buff.

Having

never

seen

this

is

kind

of

embarrassing,

but

it

was

interesting

to

have

it,

you

know,

from

an

officer

perspective.

You

don't

see

too

much

of

that.

There's

not

a

whole

lot

of

battle

going

on

there.

But

it's

a

story

told

from

an

office

perspective.

You

know.

You

know,

Band

of

Brothers

Dick

Winters

is.

Is

driving

this.

The

plot.

You

know,

here

you've

got

Patton's

whole

story,

but,

you

know,

is

it

historically

accurate?

I

don't

know.

I

mean,

his.

This

portrayal

is,

you

know,

extreme

narcissist.

And

from

what

I've

read,

he

was

a

complete

diva

on

set.

So

maybe

that

fits,

maybe

it

doesn't.

I

don't

know.

I

mean,

at

one

point,

he's

jumping

out

of

a

window,

shooting

a

pistol

at

an

airplane.

Come

on.

He's

talking

about

reincarnation.

Like,

come

on.

Steve

He

was

a

big

believer

in

reincarnation.

Tony

Which

is

fucking

odd.

So

fine

movie.

And

the

guy

you

were

thinking

of

is

Karl

Martin

Malden.

I

knew

him

immediately

from

his

nose,

from

West

Wing.

He

was

the

priest

in

one

of

the

West

Wing

episodes

in

a

Chelsea

Steal

where

he

has

to

pardon

the

guy.

And

he

doesn't

pardon

the

guy.

He's

his

hometown

priest.

And

I

thought

he

acted

better.

I

actually

thought

he

was

better

than

George

C.

Scott.

But

that's.

It'll

be

a

bad

take

on

that.

I

know

I'll

be

in

the

minority

there.

Dawn

of

the

Dead.

So

back

to

what

I

said

about

the

Exorcist,

about

horror,

you

know,

chopping

them

up

into

subplots.

You

can

chop

this

in

into

a

zombie

subplot.

Romero

gets

a

lot

of

credit,

you

know,

the

time

and

when

it

was

made.

But

what

I

would

say

that

differentiate.

Differentiates

this

from

the

Exorcist

is

when

I

said

the

Exorcist.

Possession

movies

haven't

really

hit

the

way

the

Exorcist

did.

I

would

say

that

the

zombie

genre

has

been

hit

and

exceeded

this

many

times

over.

You

know,

whether

it's

The

Walking

Dead,

28

days

later,

last

of

Us,

you

know,

all.

I

mean,

I

think

even

the

World

War

Z,

the

remake,

I.

I

prefer

the

remake

over

this

version.

Not

to

say

that

this

version's

bad.

The

whole

first

act

is.

Is

kind

of

bizarre

with

the.

I

don't

know

if

you

want

to

call

them

low

risers

or

low

income.

You

know,

there's

some

weird

scenes

in

there

in

the

beginning

where

they're

messing

up,

you

know,

people

in

the

building.

Which

is

okay.

I

was

bored,

honestly.

You

know,

I

didn't

think

that

the

pop.

The

plot

was

driving.

But

both

are

okay

movies.

I'm

not

a

big

fan

of

either

one.

That's

just

what

I

see.

That's

what

I

got.

Steve

Are

we

ready

to

vote?

Bud

Let's

do

it.

Steve

All

right,

so

leading

us

off

on

this

one

is

Mike.

Mike

I

gotta

vote

for

Patton.

Steve

I

am

going

to

vote

Patton,

bud.

Bud

Oh,

Patton

all

the

way,

Tony.

Tony

Yeah,

I'm

voting

Patton.

Steve

Sorry,

AI

Jamal,

but

I

think

this.

Mike

Would

be

a

5,

0.

Bud

What

do

you

think

Adriamal

thinks?

Steve

I

think.

I

think

it's

gonna

be.

Tony

You

know,

when

was

Night

of

the

Living

Dead?

Steve

That's

in

the

60s.

Tony

Was

it?

Oh,

because.

Because

that

was

better.

Steve

All

right,

so

next

up

we

have

number

four,

Apocalypse

now

versus

number

13.

Shaft.

Mike

Horror

and

moral

terror

are

your

friends.

Bud

If

they

are

not,

then

they

are.

Mike

Enemies

to

be

feared.

Hey,

where

the

hell

are

you

going,

Chef?

Tony

To

get

laid.

Steve

Where

the

hell

you

going?

Mike

Bad.

Right

there.

Steve

See

Now.

Apocalypse

Now.

I.

I

don't

go

fly

to

the

Valkyries.

I

always

think

of

the

doors.

This,

that

beginning.

Yeah,

this

is

the.

Tony

The

end.

Steve

Yeah,

with

the,

the

helicopter

blades

and

then

the

ceiling

fan

of

the.

Of

the

hotel

room.

I

always

love

the

beginning

of

that.

Yes,

with

Martin

Sheen

going

nuts

and

then

like

breaking

a

mirror

and

just

wiggin

out

in

that

hotel

room.

It's

crazy

beginning

to

that

movie.

This

is

Apocalypse

now

has

always

fascinated

me.

I've

seen

it

several

times

over

the

years.

And

you

know,

whether

it's

Martin

Sheen,

young

Martin

Sheen,

you

know,

his,

his

performance.

Weird

ass

Marlon

Brando

at

the

End

because

you,

you

don't

get

much

Marlon

Brando.

It's

only.

Mike

No,

he's

like

second

billing

on

like

imbd

for

the

movie.

Steve

I

always

love

Dennis

Hopper

in

this

movie.

He

was

absolutely

just

out

of

his

gourd

on,

on

something

there.

But

he

does.

Well,

then

you've

got

like

a

young,

young

Morpheus

in

there.

I

think

he

like

a

light

about.

Mike

His

like

me

just

naming

what

the

movie

that

you

know

them

from.

Steve

He

will

always

be

Morpheus.

It

doesn't

matter

what

else

he

does.

Mike

You

know,

Wayne's

Wayne

from

Wayne's

World.

Steve

Rather

be

Morpheus

than

Cowboy

Curtis

from

Peewee's

Playhouse.

Mike

Yeah,

that

is

true.

I

forgot

that

he

was

there.

Steve

But

it's

just,

it's

a

fascinating,

very

slow

descent

into

madness

for

everyone

involved

inside

of

this,

you

know,

war

movie.

That's

not

even

to

mention

Robert

Duvall,

Charlie

Surf.

Mike

That's

just

Everybody

loves

the

smell

of

napalm

and

Bud.

Steve

You

can

back

me

up

on

this.

When

you're

overseas

next

to

a

cav

unit,

if

you

say

anything

about

like,

you

know,

Charlie,

Charlie.

I

mean,

just.

They're

so

stupid

about

repeating

that

stuff.

Anyone

in

a

cav

unit

loves

that.

Bud

Yep.

Steve

But

I,

I,

I

do

enjoy

that

movie.

It's,

it's

one

that

is

hard

to

revisit

because

it's

so

long

and

it's

so

deep.

But

it,

I,

I

do.

It's,

it's,

it's

just

kind

of

hard

to

watch

sometimes.

But

Shaft,

I've

tried

to

watch

it.

I

haven't

seen

the

whole

thing.

I've

seen

bits

and

pieces.

I

am

not

the

best

one

to

say

whether

or

not

it's

a

good

movie

or

a

bad

movie.

The

scenes

I've

seen

are

enjoyable,

but

I

don't

think

it's

gonna

come

to

the

level

of

apocalypse.

Mike

He's

just

a

bad

mother.

Who's

the

black

Friday

dick

that's

a

sex

machine

dollar

Chicks.

You're

damn

right.

That

is

probably

one

of

the

best

theme

songs

for

a

movie.

And

what's

crazy

is

like,

I

as

a

Pearl

Jam

fan,

there's

a

song

called

Dirty

Frank

by

Pearl

Jam.

It's

a

bside.

And

the

lyric

of

the

song

goes

that

Dirty

Frank

is

a

bad

mother.

Shut

your

mouth.

I'm

just

talking

about

Dirty

Frank.

And

it's

like

a

grunge

band

from

like

the

90s

is

like

kind

of,

you

know,

taking

that

song

from

a

movie

that

I,

maybe

those

guys

watched

it.

You

know

what

I

mean?

Like,

it's

not

like

something

you

could

have

grabbed

real

quick

at

like

blockbuster

back

in

the

day.

Like,

it's

black

exploitation,

I

think,

is

what's

called.

Right.

Like,

that

was

a

whole

sub

genre.

Steve

That

was

just

the

most

famous.

Mike

All

that.

Yeah.

Like,

it

started

all

that,

like,

and

then,

like,

you

know,

it

eventually

has

its

ties

to,

like,

you

know,

I

always

think

of

Jack

Brown,

the

Quentin

Tarantino

movie,

like,

from

the

90s,

and

without

that,

there's

no

Jackie

Brown.

You

know

what

I

mean?

And.

But

still,

like,

it's

Apocalypse

Now.

It's

really

hard.

It's.

It's

one

of

the

best

Vietnam

movies,

like,

of

all

time.

It's.

It's

a

hard

movie

to,

like,

not

be

a

fan

of.

It's.

Especially

growing

up

in,

like,

rural,

you

know,

Illinois.

It's

not

like

you're

watching

Shaft

like

you're

watching

Apocalypse

now.

And

not

saying

that.

Like,

you

had

people

that,

you

know,

your

parents

were

kind

of

directly

in

Vietnam,

even

if

they

weren't

in

the

war,

they

grew

up

in

that

era.

So

you

kind

of

learned

about

it.

So

it

was

kind

of

something

that

you

always

knew

about,

you

know,

more

than

pimps,

I

guess.

You

know,

that's.

It's

hard

out

there

for

a

pimp

sometimes.

Bud

Pimping

ain't

easy.

Steve

Which

Hot

Shots

movie

was

it

where

you

had

Charlie

Sheen

and

Martin

Sheen

on

the

riverboat

going

past

each

other,

and

they

both

yelled

at

each

other?

I

loved

you

in

Wall

Street.

Mike

That

wasn't

the

first

one,

because

it.

Steve

Was

either

the

first

one

or

part.

Part

due.

Yeah.

Mike

Wasn't

he,

like,

a

Rambo

type

character?

Steve

I

want

to

say

it

was

the

second

one.

Dude.

Mike

I

feel

like

it

is

the

second

one.

Bud

Second

one.

Yeah.

Mike

Yeah,

I

feel

that

it

definitely

is

the

second

one.

Like,

they

made

it

more

meta

to

bring,

like.

Steve

I.

I

just

love

that

scene

because

it's

a

throwback,

obviously,

to

Apocalypse

now

in

the.

The

voiceover

from

Martin

Sheen

that

he

does

throughout

the

whole

movie.

And

so

you

have

Charlie

Sheen

doing

it

on

that

patrol

boat,

and

then

they

start

hearing

Martin

Sheen's

voice

over

him,

and

he

looks

around,

what

the

hell?

He

stands

up,

I

loved

you

in

Wall

Street.

Mike

I

mean,

that's.

That's.

That's.

That's

what

makes

comedies

funny.

And

I

know,

Tony,

you're

not

your

comedy

guy,

but,

like,

a

lot

of

times,

that's

what

comedies

can

do.

They

can

bring

that,

like,

crossover

meta

shit

that

you

don't

get

from

other

genres

of

movies.

You

know,

like,

you

can

sit

there

and

make

fun

of

a

movie

like

Apocalypse,

like,

and,

you

know,

like.

Or

Rambo

or,

like,

you

know,

serious

movies.

And

be

like,

it's

not

that

serious,

guys.

Calm

down.

Tony

Like

Apocalypse

Now.

I

did

a

lot

of

research

trying

to

figure

out

what

the

hell

went

wrong

with

this

movie.

Steve

Lots.

Tony

This

was

a

great

first

act.

The

beginning.

And

then

the

air

cab

I

thought

was.

Was

pretty

cool.

After

he

steals

a

surfboard.

I

mean,

it's

just.

To

me,

it's

just

straight

downhill.

And

then

from

what

I,

you

know,

found

out

is

240

hours

worth

of

film

they

used

on

this

movie.

Four

years

of

editing.

Yeah.

So

Laurence

Fishburne

was

14

when

they

shot

it.

He

was

18

when

it

was

released.

Mike

Wow.

Tony

And

they

had

a

typhoon.

And

apparently

they

were

borrowing

helicopters

from

the

country

they

were

filming

in,

who

was

also

fighting

a

civil

war.

So

they

had

to

give

them

back

twice.

And

it

was

just

a

massive,

you

know,

way

behind

budget,

way

behind

time.

You

know,

didn't

Martin.

Steve

She'd

have

a

heart

attack,

too.

Tony

He

did.

And,

you

know,

Martin

Sheen.

They

fired

Harvey

Keitel

six

weeks

into

shooting.

He

was

cast.

Harvey

Keitel

was.

And

then

Martin

Schumer

placed

him.

Steve

That

would

have

been

different.

Tony

Very

weird

character

interactions

towards

the.

I

mean,

the.

The

puppy.

Just

Laurence

Fishburne

shooting

up

that

boat.

I

just.

It.

Why?

I

mean,

what.

Steve

Descent

into

madness.

Tony

Any

Martin

Sheen's

reaction?

He

walks

over

and

shoots

a

girl

because

his

mission

matters

more.

You

know,

that's.

That

part

made

sense.

But,

I

mean,

why

are

we

even

stopping

this

boat?

Which

is

what

Martin

Sheen

said.

And

then

the

surfer

guy

is

completely

involved

with

the

puppy

now,

and

he's

doing

Purple

Grenade,

and

it

ends

up

getting

one

of

them

killed.

And

then

you

get.

You

finally

get

to.

Oh,

Marlon

Brando's

in

this

movie.

Oh,

there

he

is

two

hours

later.

And

you

know

who

the.

The

guy

who

had

the

mission

before

Martin

Sheen's

character

had

the

mission

is

he

plays

Snake

in

Daredevil.

I

can't

think

of

his

name.

Daredevil

Defenders.

He

plays

Snake,

the

blind

guy

who

taught

him

how

to

fight

in

the

mar.

Steve

Oh,

Scott

Glenn.

Tony

Yeah,

Scott

Glenn.

He's

the

guy.

He

doesn't

have

any

speaking

lines,

but

he's

standing

there

and

he

walks

up,

he

goes,

Colby.

Oh,

yeah.

Stick,

Not

Snake.

My

bad.

But,

yeah,

his.

He

was

Colby.

He

had

the

mission

beforehand.

Martin

Sheen,

obviously,

he's

carrying

this

mission,

whether

he's

narrating

or

he's

acting.

The

beginning,

the

first

act

is

a

war

movie.

The

middle

act

is

just

a

bunch

of

rant,

like

the

uso,

like,

how

can

you

be

fighting

people

with

air

cab

downriver

here?

But

you

go

further

up

river

and

we

can

fly

us.

Oh,

poor

Playboy.

Playback.

Steve

So

I.

I

have

often

wondered

that

myself.

Mike

Playmates,

Tony.

Steve

I

wondered

that

myself.

But

I,

you

know,

it

was

Playboy

Bunnies,

so

he's

kind

of

gotta

let

it

go.

Mike

I

mean,

that's

what

I

would

be

doing.

Like,

sorry.

Tony

And

then

you

get

into

the

third

act

where

it's.

It's

not

a

worm

movie,

it's

a

romance.

You

know,

Marlon

Brando

is

reading

poetry

for

45

minutes,

and

he

is

begging

Martin

Sheen

to

kill

him.

But

yet

you

go

to

his

boat

and

chop

off

the

head

of

his

other

guy.

So

I.

It's

very

strange.

And

I.

And

maybe

it

poor

editing.

Shaft.

I

watched

it

this

morning.

It's

a

decent

movie.

It

has

very

poor

acting.

Outside

of

the

Bumpy

and

Shaft

characters,

those

two

guys

on

screen

are

great.

I

think

if

you

were

to

do

that

today,

you

know,

not

with

Samuel

L.

Jackson,

I

would

think

you're

gonna

find

similar

to,

like

a

Luke

Cage

without

the

superpowers.

You

know,

that

would

be

a

better,

you

know,

representation

of

the

black

community

in

that,

you

know,

statute.

Because

he

really

didn't

need

to.

Isaac

Hayes,

I'm

a

Love

Maker

or

whatever.

You

know,

that

whole

thing,

you

know,

you

didn't

need

that.

Mike

The

Bad

mother.

Tony

Cinematography

was

actually

good,

so

if

you

watch

it,

there's

a

lot

of

POVs,

a

lot

of

good

camera

angles.

The

writing

is

not

very

good,

but

that's

what

I

got.

Steve

When

you

talk

about

the

characters

and

the

music,

I

just.

In

the

back

of

my

head,

I

just

hear,

yeah,

I'm

done.

Tony

My.

Mike

He's

a

complicated

man,

but

no

one.

Tony

Understands

him

but

his

woman.

Mike

I.

Yeah,

it's

hard

not

to

hear

that

song.

Like,

I.

Steve

Right,

Chef?

Mike

He's

a

lady,

man.

A

bad

mother.

Shut

your

mouth.

I'm

just

talking

about

Chef.

Steve

Where

you

going?

I'm

going

to

get

laid.

All

right,

well,

I'm

gonna

call

a

vote.

I

will

lead

this

off

for

Apocalypse

now.

And

my

vote

is

Apocalypse

Now.

So,

Bud.

Bud

Apocalypse

now.

Steve

For

sure,

Tony.

Tony

Yeah.

I

mean,

the

votes

gotta

go

for

Poplar

Snow.

I.

I

just.

I

think

it

has

many,

many

flaws.

You

know,

for

the,

you

know,

kind

of

accolades

that

it

kind

of

gets

or

the

personification

that

it

gets.

It's

just.

Just

sheer

scope

of

the

movie

and

the.

The,

you

know,

the

challenge

of

it.

It's

better

than

Shaft.

Steve

I

will

admit

it's

a

flawed

movie.

Yes.

And

it'll

be

interesting

to

see

what

it

goes

up

against.

Mike,

what

was

your

vote

going

to

be?

Mike

I.

I

would

say

apocalypse

Now.

Yeah.

100.

Steve

All

right.

Four

down.

Next

up,

we

have

number

six,

network

versus

number

11,

escape

from

Alcatraz.

There

is

only

one

holistic

system

of

systems.

Mike

One

vast

and

humane,

interwoven,

interacting,

multivariate,

multinational

dominion

of

dollars.

Steve

Sometimes

I

think

that's

all

this

shithole

is,

one

long

count.

We

count

the

hours.

The

bulls

count

us

and

the

king.

Mike

Bulls

count

the

counts.

Steve

What

do

you

got,

bud?

Bud

Back

to

me

again

already.

Only

four

of

us,

so

I've

never

seen

Network.

Sorry

for

failing

you.

Mike

I'm

mad

as

hell,

and

I

will

not

take

it

anymore.

Steve

You

have,

because

I.

I

had

not

seen

Network

until

a

few

days

ago,

and

I'm

still

thinking

about

it.

Bud

Oh,

help.

Help

me

understand,

then.

Help.

Help

me,

like,

absorb

quickly

with

what

it's

about.

Steve

I

am

completely

on

the

fence

on

this

one.

And.

And

this.

This

is

a

6

versus

11

here.

And

because

I've.

I've

known

Escape

from

Alcatraz

for.

For

years.

And

same

always

been

a

great

movie.

I

love

the

fact

that

you

don't

even

hear

Clint

Eastwood

for,

like,

the

first

15

minutes.

It's

right.

His

entry

into

Alcatraz

is

almost

as

good

as

the.

The

escape

process.

Bud

Right.

Steve

Network

I

always

kind

of

threw

off

as

some

weird

70s

movie

about

a

news

anchor.

Didn't

really

care.

But

I

finally

watched

it,

and

like

I

said,

it's

still

sitting

with

me.

I

Is

so

much

to

think

about

because

it

is

a

long

transition

of

events

at

this

news

company.

Not

newscomp.

This

television

company

called

UBS

in

the

70s.

And

it

starts

off

with

this

news

anchor

being

told,

hey,

you're.

You're

gonna

be

fired.

Like,

oh,

well,

that

sucks,

you

know,

because,

like,

his.

He

used

to

be

like

a

Walter

Cronkite,

but

his

ratings

have

gone

down.

And

it's

the.

It

was

the

start

of

a

transition

of

where

the

news

programs

were

a

prestigious

net

loss

for

these

television

companies.

It's.

You

know,

they're

gonna

lose

money.

That's

okay.

They

all

do.

It's

just

no

part

of

the

part.

Part

of

the

thing.

You

know,

there's

no

sensationalism.

There's

no,

hey,

the

world

might

end.

Find

out

at

11.

You

know,

there's.

There's

none

of

that.

It

was

just

the

Walter

Cronkite

style

of

old.

And

this

guy's

ratings

were

starting

to

slip

and

they

wanted

to

do

something

different.

So

they

let

him

know,

hey,

you've

been

with

us

for

like,

30

years.

But

you

know

what?

We're

gonna

let

you

go.

You've

only

got

two

weeks

left.

So

in

his

next

broadcast,

he

actually

says,

next

Tuesday

on

This

show

I

am

going

to

shoot

myself

live

on

the

air.

Thank

you

and

good

night.

And

people,

they,

they

flip

out.

And

then

so

now

there's

a

talk

like,

like

did

you.

Did

he

have

a

moment

or

what

the

hell

was

that?

Was

it

a

joke?

And

his

best

friend

is

the

news

programming

director

guy.

He

gets

the

higher

ups

to

convince

him

to

do

another

like

a.

A

proper

dignified

send

off.

Hey,

I'm

retiring,

going

to

the

sunset,

whatever.

In

between

that

agreement

and

the

next

broadcast,

the

dude,

the

program

director,

finds

out

that

they

are

actually

moving

the

network

news

off

of

him

because

it's

because

they

want

to

make

money

now.

Now

you

got

the

anchor

and

the.

Mike

Director,

Rupert

Murder

came

in

and

bought

it.

Steve

Who

want

the.

Well,

they

want

to.

He

finds

that

out

that

he's

being

replaced

too.

So

the

next

one,

he.

They

kind

of

have

this

understanding

of

say

whatever

the

hell

you

want.

And

that's

when

he

starts

saying

this

is,

that's

the

government's,

the

corporations,

what.

He

just

starts

going

off

on

this

rant

and

their

ratings

skyrocket

and

people

are

looking

at

this

guy

like,

should

we

shut

him

down?

And

the

guy

that,

the

director

that

knows

he's

going

to

get

fired

is

like,

why

would

I

do.

I

don't

give

a.

Anymore.

Bud

Right?

Steve

Still

say

whatever

the

hell

you

want.

So

now

all

these

vultures

come

in

like

in

the

Faye

Dunaway,

who's

the

upstart

girl

who

wants

to

say,

hey,

we

have

a

gold

mine

here,

we

need

to

exploit

it

all

to

hell,

right?

She's

like,

I

want

to

bring

in

a

psychic

for

the

new

show

who

could

predict

the

news.

I

want

pyro,

I

want

wrestlers,

I

want.

She

wants

to

make

it

all

like

spectacular.

Like,

you

know,

all

the

news

places

are

today

and

they

never

go

left

or

right.

This

is

all

just

news

in

general.

Make

it

flashy,

make

it

Cairo.

Yeah,

you

know,

like

Terror

on

the

beach

or

something.

You

know

those

big

headlines.

Anyway,

then

he,

that's

when

the

guy

has

his

next

breakdown.

That's

not

mad

as

hell.

I'm

not

going

to

take

anymore.

And

he

gets

this

following

and

he

is

on

a

trajectory,

but

he's

not

well

behind

the

scenes.

I

mean

he,

this

guy

is

having

a

mental

breakdown,

then

the

company's

exploiting

it

for

money.

And

then

he

finally

says

something

on

air

that

he

shouldn't,

which

is

the.

And

say

we're

getting

into

spoilers

here.

But

he

mentions

that

the

company,

the

network

is

being

bought

by

a

Middle

Eastern

Company.

Tony

It's

1970s,

there's

no

spoilers.

Steve

True.

But

He.

He

rants

about

this

on

air.

And.

And

so

the

people

that

are,

you

know,

paying

his

salary,

like,

whoa,

you

ranted

about

the

wrong

thing.

And

he.

So

he

gets

taken

to

this

long

conference

room

with,

of

all

people,

Ned

Beatty

from,

like,

you

know,

Deliverance.

Tony

He

grows

a

hell

of

a

mustache.

Steve

He

comes

down

hard

on

this

guy

and

just

gives

this

wild

speech

about,

you

will

atone.

You

know,

you're.

This

is

the

almighty

dollar.

The

world

revolves

around

the

autumn

of

the

speech

by

heart.

Tony

But

the

camera

angle

is.

Is

fantastic.

It's

a

very,

very,

very

well

done

scene.

Steve

And

then

they

get

to

the

end,

and

to

spoil

the

end.

I

mean,

everything

that

they've

kind

of

done

on

this

is

what

the

news

is

today.

Except

for

the

very

final

scene,

which

is

where

they

blew

his

brains

out.

No,

close,

though.

The

company

executives

in

a

room

which

includes

Robert

Duvall,

though

I

forgot

to

mention,

Robert

Duvall

is

like

the

head

of

the

company.

And

they

like,

what

do

we

do

about

this

guy?

You

know,

we.

We

can't.

We

can't

fire

him

because

he's

got

a

following,

but

he.

We

can't

let

him

keep

talking.

So

Faye

Dunaway

is

like,

well,

let's

just

kill

him.

So

she's

been

doing

this

whole

sideshow

plot

thing

with

some

communists

trying

to,

like,

getting.

Giving

the

communist

cameras

and

having

them,

you

know,

guerrilla

their

abductions

and

robberies.

Tony

And.

Steve

And

so

she

gets

them

to

go

to

a

taping

of

the

guy's

next

show,

and

on

live

tv,

they

stand

up

and

shoot

him

in

the

head.

Bud

Whoa.

Steve

The

end.

Bud

Whoa.

Steve

This

movie

was

wild,

and

it

was

not

what

I

was

expecting

at

all.

Tony

First

of

all,

Robert

Duvall

is

not

the

head

of

the

company.

He's

the

head

of

the

George

Soros

faction

of

the

company

that

purchased

majority

rights.

Bud

The

BlackRock

of

the

70s.

Steve

Yeah.

Executives

upon

executives.

I

didn't

know

who

was

actually

in

charge.

Tony

It's

very,

very

good

acting.

You're

getting

career

performances

here

from

a

couple

guys.

The

guy

who

played

Max

and

then

the

guy

who

ended

up

winning

the

Oscar,

the

guy

who's

having

the

mental

breakdown.

It.

It's

fantastic

writing.

It's

intelligent

writing.

You

know,

this

is.

I.

I

would

just

picture

that

Sorkin

is,

you

know,

growing

up

on

this,

and

Sorkin

is

pulling

all

this

stuff.

Steve

I

can

see.

Tony

Yeah.

Mike

Oh,

yeah.

Tony

It

definitely.

It

goes

off

the

deep

end,

though.

First

two

acts

are

fantastic.

Way

too

much

run

time,

you

know,

way

too

much

fade

done

away.

Daddy

issues.

There's.

There's.

Steve

I

didn't

get

into

the

love

story.

Tony

No.

I

mean,

it's

almost

three

hours

long.

I

mean,

there's

a

lot

of

good

things.

And

I.

I

thought

they

missed

at

the

ending.

Yeah,

they

come

out

and

shot

him.

I

would.

I

would

have

entertained,

you

know,

like.

Like

one

last

monologue

from

him.

And

then

they

shoot

him,

which

is

what

I

thought

was

gonna

happen.

And

they

just

shot

him,

like,

while

he

was

talking.

Mike

Yeah.

Tony

As

he

did.

He

walked

out

and

they

shot

him.

To

me,

that

was

a

poor

finish.

It

didn't

make

a

whole

lot

of

sense,

grand

scheme

of

things.

Steve

The.

Tony

Oh,

we're

just

here

to

make

money.

But,

you

know,

today

you're

not.

Today

if

you

say

the

wrong

thing

on

t.

Because

the

whole

idea

is.

Oh,

it's

foreshadowing,

you

know,

modern

media.

But

today

you

say

the

wrong

thing,

you're

fired.

Like

Tucker

Carlson,

you

know,

you

just

can't

do

those

kind

of

things.

It's

not

real

foreshadowing

as

far

as

what

people

think

it

is.

But

you

are

getting

fantastic

performances

even.

Even

from

Faye

Dunaway,

who

I

didn't

really

like

in

this

movie.

She

was

great.

Both

actors

were

great.

The

one

scene

which

you

mentioned

at

the

table

with

what

was.

Is

Ned

Bed

Beatty.

No

relation

to

Warren.

He.

That

was

great.

It's.

It's

the

complete

opposite

of

Escape

from

Alcatraz.

You

have

a.

A

true

story

that

you

have

ace

the

story,

start

to

finish.

It

was

a

very

enjoyable

watch.

I

had

watched

it

once

a

long

time

ago,

and

I

watched

it

recently.

You

know,

what

was

pretty

interesting

is,

is

the

start

of

the

movie,

like,

nobody

talks

for

like

10

minutes.

The

whole.

In

processing.

And

Clint

Eastwood

doesn't

speak

till

13

minutes

into

the

movie.

It

was.

It

was

cool

the

way

they

did

that.

And

I

don't.

This

is

what

I

say

about

Patent

is

I

don't

know

about

the

historical

accuracy.

And

in

this

movie,

you

know,

you're

banking

it

off

three

guys

that

we

don't

even

know

if

they're

alive.

We

don't

know

if

they

made

it

off.

So

all

these

side

things

that

are

happening,

they

made

it

up.

Yeah.

You

know.

Mike

No,

they

did

not,

because

no

one's

really

ever

really

escaped

from

it.

Like,

there's

been

rumors,

but

I

think

those.

Those

guys

probably

got.

Tony

Well,

they

definitely

escaped

the

building,

you

know,

but

did

they

survive

the

water?

Steve

I

think.

I

think

the

final

record,

according

to

Alcatraz,

is

that

they.

They

all

drowned.

But

they

did

find.

Mike

Yeah,

because

they

were

sharp.

Yeah.

Steve

But.

But

they've.

I

guess

the

Coast

Guard

did

find

like,

one,

you

know,

heavily

decomposed

body

in

prison

garb.

That

they

couldn't

identify,

but

that

was

it.

Mike

Yeah,

I

will

say,

Tony,

that

you're

saying

like

for

network,

that

it

didn't

foreshadow,

but

it

really

kind

of

did

because

news

networks

were

not

about

sensationalizing

and

like

making

you

be

like

on

the

edge

of

a

seat

type.

Like

it

was

like

soap

operas,

you

know,

new.

Like

the

news

was.

This

is

what

happened

today.

Tony

Crow

Kite

and

Merle.

Mike

That's

it.

Tony

I

got

it.

Mike

I

think

what

network

did

was

made.

Like

how.

Even,

like,

even

like

local

news.

Like,

local

news

still

has

that.

Like,

hey,

we.

We.

Credit

card

scams

and

like,

we.

We're

the

ones

who

got

them

out

of

it

and

all

this.

And

they

make

it

like

so

sensationalized.

And

I

mean,

that's

why

reality

TV

sells.

Like,

it's

this

drama

that

like,

people

just

eat

up

for

some

reason.

And

I

don't

get

it.

I

mean,

I'm.

I'm

a

person

that

just

wants

to

know

what

the.

Is

going

on.

I

don't

care

what

happens.

Like,

I

mean,

that's

why

it's

like,

you

know,

you're

like

American

Idol.

Like,

and

we'll

come

back

to

see

if

this

person

can

actually

sing.

Like,

just

sing.

Like,

if

this

person's

a

good

singer,

it's

a

good

singer.

Like,

I

don't

need

like

the

drama

and

who

the

to

vote

for

it.

Like,

and

I

think

that's

what

network

did.

Like,

network

kind

of

showed

that,

yeah,

this

might

be

kind

of

where

this

shit's

gonna

go.

And

then

it

really

did.

No,

and

it's

way

worse.

It's

way

worse

than

what

network.

Steve

That's

what

I

say.

The,

the

dignified

loss

lead

of

news

that

where

it

was

okay,

that

they

didn't

make

some

money,

that

went

to

the

wayside,

like

even

in

the

90s.

Mike

Like

with

like

Walter

Jacobson

from

like,

like

the

Chicago.

I

want

to

say

he

was

like

Channel

5

news

or

whatever,

you

know,

or

Lester

Holt

was

on

Channel

5

news.

Like,

those

were

guys

that

like,

when

they

said

the

news,

like,

they

just

gave

you

the

news.

Like

Barbara

Walters,

like,

you

know,

back

before

60

minute,

like,

they

gave

you

the

news.

Like

Tom

Brokaw.

Like,

he

would

come

on

and

be

like

this

just

in

that,

you

know,

O.J.

simpson

isn't

a

slow

white

van.

Like,

because

it

was

legit

a

slow

white

Bronco.

Like,

he

was

there,

he

was

talking

about

it.

It

wasn't.

Maybe

it

was

a

Bronco.

Steve

But

I

think

that

all

started

there

was

the,

the

gradual

change.

But

then

with

the

24

hour

news

networks,

from

CNN

to

Fox

and

beyond.

That's

where

it

really.

Mike

Yeah,

because.

Yeah,

because

CNN

was

gonna

fall

apart,

and

then

they

were

like,

hey,

I

bet

if

we

start

making

this

a

little

nuts.

And

then,

like,

Rupert

Murdoch,

like,

to

be

fair,

the

only

reason

that

that

man

still

has

money

is

because

five

yellow

people

that

were

drawn

on

a

cartoon.

Because.

Because

Simpsons

saved

their

ass

multiple

times.

Because

they

would

have

never

gotten

Madden.

They

would

have

never

gotten

the

football.

They

would

have

never

gotten

anything.

There

was

nothing

on

that

show

when

we

were

kids,

Steve.

There

was

nothing

on

Fox

besides

the

Simpsons,

Married

With

Children

and

Cops.

That

was

it.

Steve

And

Living

Color,

man.

Mike

And

Living

Color

was

awesome.

Yes.

But

think

about

it,

though.

Like.

And

honestly,

the

Simpsons

made

that

joke,

like,

several

times.

And

granted,

they're

full

on

past

their

prime,

but

they're

like,

it

wouldn't

be

the

first

time

we

saved

your

ass.

And

they

did.

They.

They

kept

that

network

afloat.

Steve

I

did

not

pay

attention

to

the

news

until

the

early

20s.

My

early

20s.

And

I'm

just.

I'm

being

honest

here.

It

was

September

11,

100,

because

they.

Well,

we

had

to.

I

was

in

the

service,

and

we

had

to

mobilize,

and

we

were

doing

things.

And

in

our

QRG

rooms,

there

was

a

tv.

It

was

always

on

the

news.

And

whether

it

was

CNN

or

Fox

or

whatever,

it

was

always,

you

know,

terror

in

the

skies,

you

know.

Mike

Yep.

Steve

Fire

on

the

skyline.

I

mean,

just

the.

The

intros.

And

that's

when

I.

That's

when

my

young

brains.

It

clicked

with

me.

It's

like,

oh,

that's

what

they're.

That's

what

they're

doing.

Tony

Shocking

on.

I

think

that

you're

now

entirely

hitting

on

my

point,

but

you're

not

wrong.

As

you

know,

I

agree

with

you

that

news

networks

have

definitely

made

it

more

entertainment,

as

in

news,

But

I

was

speaking

specifically

on

the

content

from

this

movie.

If

a

guy

goes

on

the

network

and

says

he's

gonna

kill

himself

next

Tuesday,

he's

not

going

back

on

the

air.

It's

not

going

back

on

the

air.

That's

what

I

meant

by

it

was.

Mike

A

drama

back

on

the

air.

Yeah.

They

would

be

like,

maybe

we

shouldn't

let

him

buy

sharp

knives.

Steve

Like,

I

mean,

and

they

even

have

moments

where,

hey,

like,

they're

all

in

a

room.

The

network

wants

you

to

go

on

again.

Like,

and

the

guy's

like,

wait,

what?

Seriously?

Me?

The

guy

that

just,

you

know,

went

on

a

tirade

saying

10

times

in

a

minute,

you

know,

and

the.

The.

The

vultures

with

the

network.

The

Faye

Dunaway

is

like,

yeah,

well,

have

you

seen

the

numbers?

They're

up.

Tony

So

they're

bringing

in.

What

was

it?

A

psychic

fortune

teller.

Steve

Yeah.

Tony

You

know,

even

in

the

90s,

who.

They

had

the.

The

African

lady

on

the.

Steve

Ms.

Cleo.

Tony

Yeah,

on

the.

But

that

was

at

midnight.

That

was

midnight

to

3:00am

you

know,

you

didn't

get

that

at

prime

time.

Bud

Ms.

Clear.

Tony

There's

a.

Mike

There's

a

documentary

about

her

too,

actually.

Bud

I

don't

doubt

it.

Steve

Overall,

it

was

very

prophetic

in.

In

several

of

the

things

that

got

right.

And

all

of

them

in

a

bad

way,

in

my

opinion,

because

it.

Because

it

is

a

satire.

It's

a

satire

in

a

dark

comedy

of.

Of

that

nature

about

that

entire

environment

and

then

with

a

tragic

ending.

So

it

was.

It

was.

It

was

not

what

I

expect.

That's.

That's

really.

It

was

just

a

nice

surprise

for

me.

I

was

just

expecting

some

old

fuddy

duddy

thing.

I

do

think

it

could

have

been

a

lot

shorter

and

cut

out

a

lot

of

the.

Like

the

communism

side

stories.

That

was

kind

of

the

daddy

issues.

Yes,

probably

the

daddy

issues.

Mike

Yeah.

Tony

I

mean,

he's.

I

mean,

he's

not

older

than

her.

He

is

30,

40

years

older

than

her.

Mike

It's

very

weird,

but

I

would

say

that

the

communism

thing

is

like

the

sign

of

the

times

type

thing.

Like

60s

and

70s

movies,

like

Red

Scare

type.

Like,

I

think

they

just

probably

always

add

that

to

me.

Steve

They

just

devoted

too

much

time

to

showing

us,

hey,

we're

gonna

go

to

the

communists

compound

and

sign

contracts

with

them

and

talk

about.

Mike

But,

you

know,

talk

about

the

log

lines

stuff.

Steve

It's

like

that's.

It's.

It

was.

That

was

like

a

good

five

to

10

minutes

that

could

have

been

spent

elsewhere

or.

Cut.

Mike

Yeah.

Steve

It

gave

them

a

means

to

the.

Mike

End,

at

the

very

end

would

ever

really

happen.

Red

Dawn.

You

think

they

would

have

got

that

close

to

the

airspace

and.

And

like

only

the

Wolverines

can

stop

them.

Bunch

of

high

school

kids

with

the

shotgun.

Get

out

of

here.

Steve

There's

no

stopping

Patrick

swayze

in

the

80s.

Tony

I

like

to

think

that

they

did

escape

Alcatraz

and

then

Fred

Ward

relocated

to

perfection

and

fought

Tremors.

Steve

I

like

that

theory.

Mike

You

know

what?

Tony

alone,

that

made

me

just

switch

my

vote.

Steve

Escape

from

Alcatraz

is.

It's

a

very

complete

movie,

a

great

script.

I

can't

remember

who

made

that

movie,

but

it's.

It's

not

so.

That's

right.

But

it's.

Yeah,

it's

a

excellent

movie.

You

know,

they

walk

you

through

the

entire

thing.

I

did

read

that

they

had

a

Hell

of

a

time

filming

it

because

tourists

were

all

over

the

place

at.

While

there,

they

had

to

film

a

lot

of

scenes

at

night

on

the

inside,

so

the

tourists

weren't

there.

But

during

the

day,

like,

the.

The

yard

scenes

and

stuff

with,

you

know,

all

the.

All

the

black

inmates

and

the

bleachers,

and

Clint

Eastwood

has

to

go

up

and

talk

to

him

and

stuff.

They

had

to.

Actually.

Clint

Eastwood

would

promise

the

tourists.

If

you

are

just

quiet

for

while

we

film

these

scenes,

I

will

come

and

answer

your

questions

and

sign

autographs.

Just

be

quiet.

Mike

Was

that

close

to,

though,

when

the

time

when

the

Native

Americans

went

on

to

Alcatraz

and,

like,

it

was

pretty

close.

Steve

It

was

after

that,

wasn't

it?

And

because

that

was

in

the

60s.

Mike

Yeah,

I

was.

I

couldn't

remember

it

was

the

60s

or

70s.

Steve

They

had

to

cover

up

the

graffiti

where

it

says,

like,

this

is

Indian

country

and

stuff,

and

this

is

that

graffiti.

Mike

That

graffiti

is

still

there.

Steve

Yes.

And

they.

It's

a

historical

moment

that

they

won't.

Wouldn't

let

them

paint

over

it

or

anything.

So

all

that.

All

that

graffiti

is

there.

And

during

filming,

they

had

to,

like,

camouflage

it

in

special

ways

so

that

when

they

were

done

filming,

they

could

remove

it.

And

the

graffiti

is

still

there?

Mike

Well,

yeah,

because.

To

make

it

more

like

a

correct

period

piece,

like,

it's

not

on

there,

but,

like,

because

Marissa

and

I

were

in

Oakland

to

go

see

Pearl

Jam,

and

we

went

and

did

the

tour

around

Alcatraz,

and,

like,

it

was

there,

and

she

was

just

like,

what

the

hell

does

that

mean?

I

go.

And

then

I'm

like,

well,

strap

in,

because

I'm

about

to.

You

know,

like,

it

is

fun

to,

like,

sometimes

to,

like,

be

with

somebody

who

doesn't

know

like,

a

lot

about

history.

Like,

we

went

to

the

World

War

II

Museum

in

New

Orleans,

and

her

and

her

sister

were

like,

this

all

happened.

I

go,

where

the

were

you

guys

at

in

your

history

class?

It's

like,

did

you

miss

everything?

Like,

what

just

happened?

I

was

like,

I'm

on

the

edge

of

my

seat

the

whole

time.

I'm

listening

to

my

grandfather

tell

stories,

and

it's

like,

you

two

are

like,

wait

a

second.

They

bombed

Pearl

Harbor.

What

just

happened

here?

I'm

joking.

That

did

not

happen.

I'm

obviously

joking.

Steve

Yeah,

it

was

the

Germans

that

bombed

Pearl

Harbor.

Tony

Remember?

Mike

Yeah.

Over.

Steve

Did

you

say

over

anything

else?

We

want

to

talk

about

these

two

movies.

Well,

let's

call

a

vote

here.

All

right.

Who's.

Who's

voting

on

this

one?

That's.

It's

Bud.

Bud

leads

us

off

network

or

I'll

escape

from

Alcatraz.

Bud

Network

sounds

very

appealing

based

off

of

your

description.

However,

it

would

be

kind

of

dumb

of

me

to

vote

that

way

on

a

movie

I've

never

even

seen.

So

I'm

gonna

go

with

Alcatraz.

Tony

Tony,

this

is

very

close.

I'm

gonna.

I'm

gonna

vote

us

escape

from

Alcatraz.

Mike

Mike,

I

think

we're

getting

an

11.

I'm

gonna

go

with

Alcatraz.

Bud

Oh.

Steve

My

vote

would

have

been

network

as

you

guys

probably.

I

talked

myself

into

network.

Damn.

Tony

I

tried.

Bud

It

was

compelling.

Mike

I

think

Alcatraz

is

such.

Just

like

a.

It's

such

an

interesting.

I

think

prison

escape

movies

are

just

so

interesting,

though,

to

me.

Like,

that's,

like,

how

I

feel

about

the.

Steve

Oh,

yeah.

It's

like

almost

a

reversed

heist

kind

of

thing.

Mike

Yeah.

Yeah,

you're

right.

Yeah,

exactly.

And

you're

kind

of

like.

Well,

I

kind

of

like

heist

movies

type

thing.

I

mean,

it's

not

as

good

as

smoking

a

bandit,

but

that's

a

whole

other

thing.

Steve

Well,

the

network,

you

know,

kind

of.

And

similar

to

one.

Another

one.

We'll

talk

in

a

couple

minutes

here.

But

the.

It

was

just

such

a

surprise

to

me.

I.

I

did

not

expect

that

from

that

movie.

Mike

I

mean,

it

is

one

of

the

top

movies,

you

know,

but

it's.

Tony

I

really

enjoyed

the

experience.

I

watched

it

today.

I

just

was

left

unfulfilled,

and

I.

I

thought

that

they.

It

was

too

long,

and

they.

They

didn't

stick

it.

No,

that's.

You

know,

and

when

you're

going

up

against

a

movie

that

I

think

is.

Is.

Is

very

well,

point

A

to

point

B,

everything

in

the

middle

is

almost

perfect,

in

my

opinion.

You

know,

that's

why

I.

It's

a

tough

matchup

for

network.

I

have

nothing

against

it.

It's

just

the

movie

for

me

will

be

Escape.

Steve

Well,

speaking

of

tough

matchups,

next

up,

we

have

number

three,

cabaret

versus

number

14,

Disney's

Robin

Hood.

Tony

Where

are

your

troubles

now?

Mike

Forgotten.

Tony

I

told

you

so.

We

have

no

troubles

here.

Mike

Here,

life

is

beautiful.

Steve

Besides,

you

broke

your

mother's

mirror.

Mike

Mommy,

I've

got

a

dirty

thumb.

This

might

be

the

easiest

vote

ever

for

me.

Bud

Yep.

Mike

It's

not

even

a

question.

I

don't

even

have

to.

I

didn't.

You

know

what,

Steve?

I

did

not

watch

Cabaret

because

I

didn't

have

to.

Steve

I

will

say

you're

missing

out.

All

right.

I

mean,

Tony,

you

can

lead

off

this

conversation,

but,

I

mean,

a

thousand

times,

I.

I'll.

I

will

defend

Cabaret

when

it's

my

turn.

Tony

Man,

coming

off

of

the

two

movies

we

just

talked

about,

which

both

were

very

enjoyable,

I.

I've

never

cared

less

about

characters

in

a

movie

than

I

have

about

Cabaret.

It

was

an

awful

movie.

Mike

See,

Steve,

I

told

you

I

need

to

watch

it.

I

knew

I

didn't

have

to.

I

mean,

I

let

totally

watch

them.

Tony

And

then

tell

them

good

couple

songs

there.

I

just

found

myself

the

entire

movie

saying,

what

does

it

all

mean,

Basil?

Every

time

I

saw.

That's

all

I

kept

saying.

Steve

Twins.

Twins.

It

is

hard

to

watch.

Yes,

it

is

hard

to

see

him

not

in

Austin

Powers.

I

agree.

Tony

The

cheeks.

I

think

it's

the

cheeks.

He's

got

these

big

cheeks.

Oh,

Cabaret.

Having

known,

you

know,

I

was

musical

theater

background,

you

know,

I've

known

these

numbers.

The

movie,

I

again,

I

just

didn't

care

about

them

at

all.

I

was

really

just

waiting

for

the

Nazis

to

come

in

and

round

them

up

and,

you

know,

do

what

they

do.

Robin

Hood.

That.

That

is

the

goat

of

anime

animation.

That

is

a

great

ledger

clarified.

A

great

fucking

movie.

And

then

I

grew

up,

you

know,

I

had

this

movie

on

vhs.

You

know,

I

know

all

the

songs,

I

know

all

the

words.

I

love

that

movie.

To

give

it.

I'll

just

give

it

away.

It's

not

even

close.

It's

Robin

Hood

all

the

way

on.

Steve

On

Robin

Hood.

It

was

one

of

the

greatest

Disney

movies

ever

made.

They

just,

they

hit

it

out

of

the

park

with

the

casting.

You

know,

you

got

Roger

Miller

as

Alan,

Adele

and

Phil

Harris

is

Little

John.

They're

just

so

damn

lovable.

Every

single

one

of

those

characters.

The

music

is

phenomenal.

I

had

it

on

today.

And

at

many

points,

all

of

a

sudden

you

look

around

and

my

entire

family's

sitting

on

the

couch

watching

this

movie

from

the

70s.

And

that

wasn't

my

intent.

It

was

just.

That's

how

damn

good

this

is.

My

entire

family

just

somehow

gravitated

to

it

on

a

random

Saturday.

Tony

I

love

the

archery

contest.

It's.

It's

great.

Steve

I've

never

understood

the

scoring

of

the

archery

contest

though.

Tony

I

don't

care.

But

it

goes.

Steve

I,

I

love,

love

the

scene

with

the

phony

king

of

England.

That's

wonderful.

Written

by

Johnny

Mercer,

by

the

way.

That

song,

very

cool.

The

song

Love

is

like

the

low

point

for

me.

That's.

That's

a.

You

know,

kind

of

doze

off

during

that

song,

but

just

so

many

one

liners.

Prince

John,

fantastic.

You

know,

it's.

It's

just

so

quotable

and

yeah,

like

you

said,

it's

the.

One

of

the

greatest

movies.

Tony

The

sheriff

is

Good.

He's

playing

the,

the

blind

dude

and

he

goes

in

the

classroom.

Oh,

the,

the

hen

dude.

She

like

pile

drives

the

rhinos.

Yes.

Steve

Oh,

yeah.

Then

they

cut

into

like

football

music

as

she

takes

them

all

out.

Yeah.

To

put

my

defense

of

Cabaret

up

though,

so

this

is

a

fascinating

movie.

It's

very

weird

that

it's

going

up

against

Disney's

Robin

Hood.

I

mean,

this

is

probably

the

most

far

parallel

movies

we've

had

yet.

So

in

my

defense

of

Cabaret,

defending

the,

the.

Mike

The

already

loser.

Steve

It's

a

fascinating

movie

that

everyone

should

at

least

give

a

chance

to

because

it,

it

handles

so

many

different

things

in

a

weird

nature

regarding

1930s

Germany

and

the

subculture

behind

what's

happening,

you

know,

with

the,

the

dramatic

irony

in

that

the,

the

viewer

knows

the

Nazis

are

rising

and

everything

that's

happening.

And

in

this

club,

the

KitKat

Club,

you've

got

debauchery,

you've

got

craziness,

and,

you

know,

things

that

we

know

are

not

going

to

be

tolerated

in

the

1930s

Germany,

you

know,

government,

I'll

say,

trying

to

use

all

the

buzzwords

that,

you

know,

might,

you

know,

get

this

thing

suppressed,

but

we

know

what's

happening

and

it's

fascinating

to

see

these,

these

things,

you

know,

eventually

it's

a

train

wreck

waiting

to

happen.

That,

that

alone

is

fascinating

because

they.

Because

there's

a

lot

of

denial.

Oh,

it'll

be

fine.

Oh,

it'll

be

fine.

It's

not

going

to

be

fine.

We

know

it's

not.

The

viewer

knows

it's

not

going

to

be

fine.

The

lead

girl,

Liza

Minnelli's

Sally

Bowles,

is

bad

decision

after

bad

decision

after

bad

decision.

And

you

just,

you

know

where

this

woman's

trajectory

is

headed.

And

then

you've

got

also

on

the

side

where

the

musical

stuff

happens,

which

is

the

club,

the

mc,

Joel

Gray,

who

got

an

Oscar

and

a

Tony

for

this.

He

is

fantastic.

That

is

just,

you

know,

of.

In

a

performance

for

the

ages.

And

I've

been

a

fan

of

Joel

Gray

for

a

long

time,

whether

it's,

you

know,

Wicked

or

Cabaret

or

other

things.

And

he

is

just

an

immensely

talented

man

and

he

does

a

great

job.

It's

a

really

fascinating

movie.

Mike

Yeah,

but

it's

not

the

best

Robin

Hood

movie

out

of

all

the

Robin

Hood

movies.

Bud

Amen.

Mike

Like,

this

is

better

than

really

any

of

them.

Like

it.

I

mean,

you

could

say

Robin

Hood.

Ben

Tight's

funny.

Whatever.

You

could

say

Kevin

Castro's

movie.

You

have

to

hear

that

dumb

Brian

Adams

song.

Like,

this

is

the

best

Robin

Hood

movie.

And

it's

one

of

the

best

Disney

movies

of

all

time.

And,

and

I'm

not

defending

it

because

my

brother

watched

it

on

vhs.

I

want

to

say,

like,

three

or

four

times

a

day

when

he

was

a

kid.

Like,

my

mother,

my

mother

was

on

this

show.

She

would

probably

vote

for

Cabaret

because

she

could

not

watch

Robin

Hood

one

more

time.

But

my

brother

and

I

talked

about

this

today

and

he.

And

it

was

probably

the

nicest

thing

I've

ever

done

because

I'm

really

not

like,

super,

I'm

not

the

nicest

guy.

Well,

I'll

be

honest

with

you.

And

I'm

not,

like,

super

sentimental

when

it

comes

to,

like,

stuff.

But,

like,

I

bought

him

the

DVD

of

Robin

Hood,

like,

for

Christmas

one

year,

and

I

almost

got

him

to

cry.

It

was

so

close.

I

feel

like

he

was

close.

My

mom

cried

like

a,

like,

you

know,

she's

like,

oh,

my

God,

I

can't

remember

that

movie.

But

there's

so

many

funny

things.

And

yes,

the

archery,

the,

that

event

when

he

splits

the

other

arrow

to

do

it.

And

you're

like,

well,

I

guess

if

you

split

the

arrow,

you

win.

Yeah,

yeah.

Steve

What

is

the

actual

scoring

of

this?

I

just

would,

I'd

like

to

know

that

they

don't,

they

need

to

lay

out

the

rules.

Mike

It's

the

bullseye

of

the

bullseye,

you

know?

And

when

I

saw

it

in

this

list,

I

could

not

believe

it

was

from

the

70s,

like,

because

it

was

just

like

my

entire

life

I

thought

for

sure

it

was

like

an

80s

movie,

you

know,

like,

it

just.

And

because

animation

for

Disney

was,

like,

dead

in

the

70s.

Steve

Yeah.

Mike

You

know,

like,

and

it

really

was

dead

in

the

80s

too.

Like,

I

mean,

it

took

like,

Little

Mermaid

to

kick

Disney's

animation

back.

Was

that

89?

And

then

it

took

like,

Pixar

to,

like,

buy

Pixar

to

do

what

they

do

now.

It's,

it's

crazy

that

now

that,

like,

Disney

owns

Marvel

and

Star

wars

and

like,

all

this,

because

when

you're

a

kid,

it

was

like

Disney

Channel

was

something

you

got

for

free

like,

once

a

year

on,

like,

that

one

weekend.

Steve

Yeah.

And,

yeah,

the

weekend

preview.

Mike

The

weekend

preview.

And

I

think

that's

where

my

dad

recorded

this,

that

and

the

Sword

in

the

Stone

was,

I

think,

another

Disney

movie

from

the

70s,

a

cartoon.

And

that

one,

I

just

remember

it

because

it

was

back

to

back

on

the

VHS

tape,

my

brother,

so.

And

I

know

life

is

a

cabaret,

but

it's

not

Robin

Hood.

That's

all

I

can

say.

Tony

I,

I,

I,

I,

I

just

gotta

say

more.

I

Liza

Minela's

Character

is

so

just

an

awful

person.

Steve

I.

Tony

She's

admittingly

saying

how

bad

she

is,

and

then

you

get

this

guy

who's

like,

you

know

what?

I

think

I

like

men.

Wait,

no.

I

like

women.

So

he

likes

women,

and

he

wants

to

treat

you.

You

then

cheat

on

him

and

then

say,

I

don't

know

who's.

Who's

the

father?

And

then

what

happens

is

she

aborts

it.

I.

She's

just

an

awful

person.

Mike

Her

mother

was

Dorothy

Gale.

Tony

If

she

was

alive

today,

she'd

just

be

living

on

Onlyfans.

I.

It

is

the

most

unlikable

person

I've

ever

seen

in

the

movie.

Bud

So

you're

saying

you

didn't

like

her?

Tony

Apparently,

she's

Judy

Garland's

daughter.

Oh,

yeah.

Steve

Eliza

Minelli.

Yeah.

Tony

Didn't

know

that.

Steve

But

any.

Any

thoughts

on

these

two

movies?

Bud

I'm

gonna

keep

it

simple.

Robin

Hood

for

life.

Yo,

let's

go.

Steve

All

right,

so

who's.

Who's

leading

off

the

voting

on

this

one?

Who

was

that?

Tony.

Tony

is.

Go

for

it,

Tony.

Tony

Me?

Oh,

well,

it's

Robin.

Steve

All

right,

Mike.

Mike

Yeah,

the

Hood.

Are

we

gonna

get

a

5014

over

three?

That's

pretty

good.

Steve

We

are.

Mike

We

are.

Steve

Yeah.

Tony

Yeah.

Steve

Steve,

I

defended

Cab.

I

defended

Cabaret.

But,

I

mean,

Robin

Hood

is

just

great.

Mike

This

is

sweet

16

team.

I'm

telling

you.

I'm

seeing

it,

I'm

feeling

it.

It

might

even

be

Elite

eight,

like,

with

Close

Encounters

sitting

there.

I

know

Chinatown

and

mighty

Pythons

there,

but.

Steve

Well,

speaking

of,

next

up,

we

have

number

seven,

Chinatown

versus

number

ten,

Monty

Pythons.

The

Life

of

Brian.

Politicians,

ugly

buildings

and

all

get

respectable.

Mike

If

they

last

long

enough.

You

turn

off.

Baby,

please

don't

you

oppress

me.

Tony

I'm

not

oppressing

you,

Stan.

Steve

You

I'm

gonna

wound.

Mike

So

this

one

stuff,

because

this

is

actually

the

mighty

Python

movie

that

I

prefer

is

Life

of

Brian.

I

know

it's

like

the.

You

know,

it's.

It

is

the

opposite

for

most

people.

Like,

it.

It's

kind

of

saying

that,

like,

you,

like.

You

like

Black

Sheep

better

than,

like,

Tommy

Boy,

right?

You

know,

like,

you

know,

it's.

They're

both

decent

movies,

but

everybody

knows

Time

Boy

and

Chinatown

is

just

a

classic

classic

movie.

And

honestly,

even

before,

like,

I

saw

this,

I

was

like,

I

know

exactly

how

I'm

gonna

vote

this.

So

it's.

I

don't

know

if

I'm

the

best

person

to

even,

like,

start

this

out

because,

like,

I

know

that

Chinatown

is,

like,

the

one

that

I

would

vote,

and

I'm

giving

my

vote

away

early,

even

Though

I

love

Life

of

Brian

and

it's

fucking

classic

Monty

Python.

But

by

the

way,

I

think

I

got

both

Monty

Pythons

as

the

intro.

I

don't

know

how

that

worked

out,

but

I

got

both

of

them,

I

think.

And.

But

yeah,

Chinatown

is.

It's

a

good

movie.

And

I

don't

know.

I

can't

do

more

about

that.

I

can't

just

say

more

because

I'm

for

some

reason

having

my

brain

being

broke

from

green

beer

yesterday.

Sometimes

words

don't

do

well

for

me.

But,

like,

that

is.

That.

That

is

definitely,

you

know,

top.

You

know,

it's.

It's

Chinatown,

baby.

Steve

I

caught

Chinatown

for

the

first

time

while

on

the

Peter

Pan

tour

in.

On

an

Airplane.

Mike

Interesting.

Like

you

picked

it

out

or

it

was

there?

Steve

Well,

I

just

ran

out

of

things

to

watch.

It

was

one

of

the

options

on

the

Delta

flight.

And

so

tiny

little

screen

in

front

of

me

and

just

watch

Chandel.

Mike

It's

interesting

that

that

would

be

on,

like,

compared

to,

like,

usually

it's

newer

movies.

Steve

It's

also

weird

whenever

you

pick

a

random

movie

on

an

airplane

and

there's,

you

know,

some

boobs

in

there.

Mike

It's

like,

why

had

that

happen

with

the

Mule?

I

watched

the

Clint

Eastwood

movie

the

Mule,

and

I

was

like,

oh,

it's

Clint

Eastwood.

He's

old.

I'm

like,

there

can't.

There

can't

be

anything

around.

Then

all

of

a

sudden

there's

like,

boobs

in

the

screen.

I'm

like,

trying

to

hide.

Tony

I

think

it's

interesting

you

haven't

watched

Chinatown

until

now.

Steve

I

just

never

got

around

to

it.

It's

one

of

those

classics

that

never

presented

itself

to

me.

And

so

I

was

there.

I

had

several

hours

to

kill

and

love

a

good

Jack

Nicholas,

blah,

blah,

blah,

Jack

Nicholson

flick.

And

I

threw

it

on

there

and

loved

it.

It

was

great.

You

know,

I

like

a

good

mystery

and

obviously

I

see

the

inspiration

for

who

Framed

Roger

Rabbit

Number

One.

I

could

see

that

from

the

very

beginning.

But

the.

I

was

trying

to

figure

out

what

the

hell's

going

on,

who

did

it,

who's

how,

what's

connected

to

who,

you

know,

the

dots

were

trying

to

connect

in

my

brain.

I

did

not

expect

the

incest

storyline

kind

of

came

out

of

nowhere

for

me,

but

it,

you

know,

it

works.

But

I

liked

the

whole

water

LA

thing.

A

little

too

on

the

nose

here

of

recent

events

regarding,

you

know,

wildfires

and

stuff.

But

it

was

really

a

great

mystery

in

the

background.

And

I

love

a

good

film

noir

as

well.

Like

when

we

get

to

the

90s,

LA

Confidential

is

one

of

my

favorite

movies.

Mike

It's

a

good

book,

too.

Steve

It

was

in

that

vein,

and

I

just.

I

really

enjoyed

it.

Life

of

Brian,

also

one

of

my

favorite

favorite

comedies

out

there.

I.

I

can't.

Couldn't

tell

you

which

one

I

like

better.

Life

of

Brian

or

Holy

Grail.

It's

just

too

hard

to

pick

one

or

the

other.

If

I.

If

you,

you

know,

force

me

to.

Life

of

Brian

has

more

of

a

story,

more

of

a

linear

story

to

it

and

several

vignettes

over

the

years

of

Brian,

whether

he's,

you

know,

and.

And

it's

always

the

current.

The

running

joke

of

being

mis.

Misinterpreted

as

Jesus.

It's.

It's

great,

you

know,

and,

you

know.

Mike

He

was

that

one

first.

Steve.

Steve

I'm

not

sure.

Mike

Oh,

no,

it

was

second.

It

was

79.

And

Holy

Grail

was

75.

75.

I

almost

feel

like

Life

of

Brian's

like

a.

It's

like

more

of

like

what

they

wanted

to

do

type

of

like,

you

know,

like

they

got

some

clout

by

doing

the

first

movie

and,

like,

all

the

show.

And

then

they

did

Life

of

Brian

was

like,

this

is

kind

of

what

we

really

want.

Steve

Well,

I

think

George

Harrison

actually

helped

finance

Life

of

Brad.

Brian,

too.

Mike

George.

George

Harrison's

a

beetle.

Bud

I

mean,

Life

Brian

is

one

of

my

favorite

Mon

movies.

So

I

mean,

the.

Steve

The

whole,

you

know,

people's

front

of

Judea,

the

Judean

people's

front.

And

then

obviously,

like,

the

Brian

stuff,

like,

I'm

not

the

Messiah.

Well,

the

true

Messiah

wouldn't

admit

he's

the

Messiah.

Okay,

then

I'm.

Then

I

am

the

Messiah.

He's

the

Messiah.

That

stuff

is.

That

stuff's

fantastic.

And

the

stoning

scene.

I

love

the

stoning

scene.

Mike

Yes.

Steve

So

I

am

completely

on

the

fence

on

this

one

and

hope

that

I'm

not

a

tiebreaker.

Bud

Chinatown.

Mike

It's

cool.

Bud

Chinatown's

cool.

Don't

mind

it.

I

don't

know.

I.

I

liked

it,

but

at

the

same

time,

like,

the

only

time

I

ever

think

about

it

is

if

I

ever

see

it,

like,

on

the

COVID

of

a.

Of

a.

For,

you

know,

the

movie

cover

or

something

like

that.

I

mean,

it

rarely

does

it

ever

come

up

in

conversation

anymore.

So

it's

just

like.

It

just

hasn't

really

aged

well

in

the

grand

scheme

of

things.

Great

flick.

But,

like,

how

often

do

we

really

think

about

it?

And

then

we

look

at

Mon's

movies,

obviously,

and

they're.

They.

They've

aged

incredibly

well.

So

I

think

now

more

than

ever.

Steve

It's

a

good

point.

Bud

So,

yeah,

I

Mean,

that's.

At

the

end

of

the

day,

you

know,

I.

I

think

money's

the

overall

pick

for

me,

so.

Tony

Well,

I

was

gonna

keep

it

brief,

but

it

sounds

like

I

need

to

make

a

pitch

here.

I

didn't

watch

Life

of

Brian

because

I

don't

need

to

watch

any

more

of

Monty

Python,

that's

for

sure.

Chinatown

is

great

in

all

aspects.

Acting,

writing,

the

scores,

cinematography,

they're

the

use

of

props.

You

pick

up

things

that

you

don't

really

realizing.

The

glasses,

the

ring.

He's

always

got

a

camera.

I

mean,

the

whole

time

they're

doing

pov,

you

know,

Jack

is

walking

in

front

of

the

camera

and

you're

seeing

it

from

his.

You

know,

you're.

You're.

You're

trying

to,

you

know,

solve

this

mystery

from

his

perspective.

A

negative

would

be.

I

would

have

taken

the

thing,

the

bandage

off

his

nose

a

couple

scenes

earlier.

It's

on

there

a

little

too

much.

And

then

you

realize,

oh,

he

didn't

even

need

it

at

all.

I

don't

know

if

that

was

for

dramatic

effect

or

not,

but

it's

very

interesting.

You

know,

this.

The.

The

story

with

the

water.

I

still

do

not

understand

the

title.

What

the

hell

happens

in

Chinatown?

I

don't

know.

Some.

Some.

Something

happens

in

Chinatown,

apparently.

Steve

So

I

had

to

look

that

up

and.

And

I

can

give

you

an

answer

there.

And

it's

a

reference

to

Hollywood

in

general

in

that

Dirty

Happens.

There's

nothing

you

can

do

about

it.

Let

it

go

and

move

on.

That's

why

I

say

forget

it,

Jake.

It's

Chinatown.

That

just

means

forget

it.

It's

just

the

dirty.

Nothing

you

can

do

about

it.

Mike

That.

Steve

That's

what

it

means.

That's.

That's

the

slang.

Tony

Maybe.

Maybe

it

would

have

made

sense

in

the

night

in

the

70s.

I

just

changed

the

name

in

the

movie.

But

as

far

as

the

actual

movie,

it's

well

done.

Jack

Nicholson

is.

Is.

Is

carrying

the

movie.

The

incest

was

a

little

strange,

but

it

was,

I

would

say

it's,

you

know,

a

shocker

in

the

70s.

Like,

oh,

wow,

right?

Steve

It

set

up

a

good

motive,

and

it

was

the

motive,

missing

motive

that

you.

You

didn't

catch

unless,

you

know,

you

on

that

till

that

second

watch.

Tony

And

it.

And

it

makes

the

final

scene

heavy

because

you're

looking

in

Faye

Dunaway's

eyes.

She's

saying,

if

he

gets

a

hold

of

her,

he's

gonna

do

the

same

thing

that

he

did

to

me.

I

thought

it

was

a

pretty

damn

good

ending.

I

guess

they

ended

it

in

Chinatown

to

make

Chinatown

make

sense,

but

it's

not

even

close.

It's

Chinatown

all

the

way.

Steve

Okay,

let's

call

a

vote

on

this

one.

Let's

move.

Move

it

along

here.

And

who

was

that?

That

was

Mike.

Mike

Evo.

Mike

First

for

Chinatown.

I

think

I

kind

of

gave

it

away

earlier.

I

mean,

I

do

like

the

Life

of

Brian.

Like

I

said,

it's

my

favorite

Monty

Python,

but

that's

the

one

I'm

going

with.

Steve

I

am

voting

Chinatown

as

well,

bud.

Bud

Really?

Okay,

Life

of

Brian,

obviously.

Come

on,

come

on.

I

know

I'm

gonna

lose

here,

but.

Tony

Come

on,

Tony,

what's

the

score?

Bud

So

you're

saying

there's

a

chance.

Tony

China

down.

Steve

Chinatown

wins

3

to

1.

I

was

prepared

to

lose

there.

I.

I

didn't

know

which

way

Mike

was

leaning.

Honestly,

expecting

an

AI

Jamal

to

go

Life

of

Brian

over

me

and

Tony's

Chinatown.

I

was

prepared

for

it.

All

right,

so

our

final

movie

matchup

of

this

particular

episode

is

going

to

be

the

one

I've

actually

been

waiting

to

talk

about.

So

number

two,

Close

Encounters

of

the

Third

Kind

versus

number

15,

the

Wicker

Man.

Mike

Do

sit

down,

Sergeant.

Steve

Sharks

are

so

much

better

absorbed

with

the

knees

bent.

And

I'm

gonna

leave

this

one

off.

Tony

Oh,

I

wish

it

was

me.

Steve

I

have

watched

both

of

these

movies

recently,

and

all

I

gotta

say

is,

wow.

And

not

necessarily

for,

you

know,

you

know,

fantastic

cinematic

reasons

to

start

off

with

Close

Encounters.

I

have

reaffirmed

my

original

assumption

about

this

movie

of

why

I

never

got

through

it.

There's

a

lot

of

boring

in

there.

I

get

what

it

was

trying

to

do.

I

really,

really

appreciate

and

enjoy

the

cinematography

of

it.

The

shots

are

gorgeous.

The

sound

is

gorgeous.

Richard

Dreyfus

does

a

great

job

playing

a

man

gradually

going

insane

because

no

one

believes

him.

I

do

like

all

that

stuff.

It's

really

long.

The

scenes

are

really

slow.

I

just

think

he's

done

better.

There's

better

Steven

Spielberg

movies,

in

my

opinion.

Whether

it's

Jaws

or

Jurassic

park

or

whatever,

there's

plenty

out

there.

I

don't

personally

have

the

reverence

for

this

one

that

other

people

do.

I

know

that

a

lot

of

people

say,

like,

oh,

he,

you

know,

Richard

Dreyfus

abandons

his

wife

and

kids.

Like,

no,

he

went

insane

and

his

wife

and

kids

left

him.

So

they

were

already

gone

by

that

point.

Before

he's

making

out

with

the

mom

from

A

Christmas

Story.

You

know,

that's,

you

know,

two

separate

things.

And

I

was

talking

with

Tony

on

the

side,

like,

somehow

it's

a

physically

capable

to

scale

the

Devil's

tower

in

just

a

matter

of

hours.

It

was,

you

know,

so

I

don't

know

the

logistics

on

that

one.

But

not

only

does

he

go

insane,

but

he

leaves,

you

know,

Terry

Garr

in

her

prime.

So

don't

agree

with

that.

Now,

the

Wicker

man,

that

was

a

fascinating

watch.

I.

I

was

expecting

very

Nick

Cage

style

movie.

Not

what

it

is.

It

was

so

much

better

than

the

Nick

Cage

version.

Christopher

Lee

is

the

bad

guy,

obviously,

but

the,

just

the

overall

trajectory

of

the

main

guy

and

for

the,

the

sacrifice

that

he

ends

up

being

you,

you

have

a

feeling

it's

coming,

but

you

don't

know

it's

coming.

And

there's

just

so

much

creepiness

throughout

the

whole

thing

that

it

was

really

an

interesting

watch

for

me

and

not

what

I'm

going

to

watch

again

anytime

soon.

But

it

was

quite

fascinating.

And

I.

You

probably

know

where

my

vote's

going

to

go.

But

I

did

enjoy

it

much

more

than

Close

Encounters.

Bud

Good

deal.

Mike

I'm

kind

of

surprised

that

you

guys,

the

way

you

guys

were

talking

about

Wicker

man

forever,

that

you

were

so

happy

about

it.

I

don't

know.

Close

Encounters

is

just

both

of

them.

I

don't,

I

don't

really

like

either

one

movie,

honestly.

Like,

I

mean,

Close

Encounters,

like,

yeah,

it's

slow

and

it

just.

I

mean,

nobody

looks

at

mashed

potatoes

the

same

way.

Besides.

And

the

fact

that

you

brought

up

the

mom

from

Christmas

Story,

it

makes

me

think

of

Ralphie's

little

brother

eating

the

mashed

potatoes

on

his

nose.

Like,

it

all

kind

of

ties

together

and.

But

like,

I

don't

know,

it's

kind

of

close.

The

kind

of

kind

of

reminds

me

like

Signs

in

a

little

way.

Like,

you

never

see

anything.

It

just

kind

of

keeps

going.

You're

like,

yeah,

I

mean,

but

it

doesn't

bring

the

dumb

ending

like

Signs

does,

where,

like,

oh,

my

God,

water.

We

landed

on

a

planet

with

80%

water,

right?

And

now

we're

gonna

be

murdered

by

water

like

dipshits.

Like,

how

are

you.

You're

smart

enough

to

do

interstellar

travel,

but

not

figure

out

that

an

entire

planet

that's

blue

has

water

on

it.

And

I

feel

like

Close

Encounters

is

just

like,

yeah,

this

is

a

double.

I

mean,

for

like

a

vote.

And

I

don't

care

if

either

one

wins.

Honestly,

I.

Who

won

the

last

one?

Because

I

feel

like

that's

the

sweet

sixteen.

Steve

Chinatown.

Mike

Be

honest.

Yeah,

I

feel

like

Chinatown.

That's

why

I'm

telling

you.

Robin

Hood

Elite.

Here

it

comes.

We're

all.

It's

coming,

baby.

It's

coming.

Tony

So

for

these

two

movies,

I

think

for

Close

Encounters,

if

you

want

to

enjoy

it,

you

need

to

smoke

a

joint,

watch

the

pretty

lights

and

John

Williams

score,

which

is

pretty

good

for

Wicker

Man.

It's

not

a

joint.

You

need

to

drop

acid

if

you

want

to

enjoy

this

movie.

It

is

one

of

the

most

bizarre

things

I've

ever

seen.

I.

I

don't

know

if

it's

sci

fi.

Is

the

woman

humming

through

the

walls

naked?

Sci

fi.

I.

Was

that

a

thing?

Or

was

he

hallucinating?

I.

I

was

confused.

Or

was

it

all

just,

you

know,

faux

religion,

you

know?

Or

was

there

a

sci

fi

aspect?

I

don't

know.

Having

watched

it

only

once.

Close

Encounters,

it's.

I

love

the

movie

Arrival.

I

mean,

if

you

were

to

take

all

the

good

aspects

out

of

Close

Encounters

and

say,

this

is

what

the

movie

Arrival

is,

which

is

what

it

is,

you

know,

they

don't

know

how

to

communicate.

Are

they

communicating?

But

the

problem

with

Close

Encounters

is

it's

two

hours

of

nothing

in

between

that.

The

scenes

with

Richard

Driver

and

his

wife

where

he's

going

insane,

you

can.

You

can

sit

there

and

empathize

with

him

because

you've

seen

what

he

saw

and

she

didn't

see

it.

So

you

can

understand

both

characters

there

as

to

why

he's

losing

his

mind.

And

she's

like,

he's

losing

his

mind.

I

have

to

get

the

kids

out

of

here.

So

that

scene,

those

scenes

worked

for

me.

Like

you

said,

oh,

we're

gonna

travel

across

the

country

in

half

a

day,

and

then

we're

gonna

scale

Devil's.

Devil's

Peak

in

an

hour

and

a

half.

Know.

Doesn't

make

any

sense.

I

don't

know

how

that

gets

through,

you

know,

the

writing

period.

You

know,

that

that's

actually

a

thing.

Then

the

entire

scene

where

the

kid

gets

kidnapped

is

just.

If

you're.

I.

I

don't

have

any

children,

but

the.

You're

locking

all

the

doors

and

windows,

and

then,

oh,

the

kid

opens

the

front

door.

Like,

okay.

And

then

you

grab

the

kid

and

then

you

let

him

go

and

he

escapes

through

the

dog

door.

And

you

don't

even

have

a

dog.

And,

you

know,

why

aren't

you

holding

him?

Like,

there's

an

alien

ship

outside.

Like,

why

don't

you

have

your

arms

around

him?

It

was

very,

very

strange

to

me.

It

didn't

make

a

whole

lot

of

sense,

but

it

wasn't

like.

Steve

It

wasn't

like

she,

like,

tripped,

it

couldn't

reach

him.

Like,

he.

He

literally

just

walks

away

from

her,

and

she's.

Tony

Multiple

times.

Steve

She.

He

just

walks

away

and

crawls

through

the

doggy

door

while

she

sits

there.

Once

these

legs

are

out

the

door,

then

she

moves.

Tony

I

will

say

some

good

things

about

Wicker

Man.

I

thought

the

acting

was

pretty

good,

you

know,

for

how

weird

and

strange

it

was.

Who's

the

guy

who

plays

Salman?

Steve

Christopher

Lee.

Tony

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's

good.

It's.

He's

good.

And

even

the

main

protagonist

is

good.

I

don't

know

what

his

name

is

either.

It's

just

still

very,

very

weird.

It's

a

very

strange

movie.

You

can't

watch

that

with

anybody

because

you're

just

gonna

be

looking

at

what

do

they

think

about

this?

Because

I

don't

know

what

I

think

about

this.

It's

very

strange.

Close

Encounters

is

just

too

long.

Wicker

man

is

just

too

weird.

Mike

That's

what

I

got,

Tony.

I.

I

watch

Euphoria

with

my

wife,

so

I'm

pretty

sure

I

could

have

handled

Wicker

man

weird.

Tony

I'd

watched

Euphoria

and

I

don't

know,

man.

Mike

Euphoria.

Oh,

you.

So

it's,

it's

more

uncomfortable

than

Euphoria?

Steve

It's

uncomfortable.

Mike

Okay.

Steve

It

is.

I

mean,

there's

really

no

way

around

it.

I

mean,

the

guy's

supposed

to

be

a

virgin,

but

then

the

bar

girl

tries

to

seduce

him

and,

you

know,

it's

like,

I.

So

I

was

wondering,

like.

Well,

at

the

end

when

you

find

out,

you

know,

the

twist

and

all

that,

you

wouldn't

wonder.

It's

like,

what

if

she

had

succeeded?

Could

he

still

have

been

a

sacrifice?

So

I

don't

know.

It's.

There's

a

lot

of

weirdness

in

there

also.

Mike

It

is

like

Midsommar.

Steve

Yeah,

Yeah.

I

think

Midsummer

is,

is

a

modern

twist

on

it.

Tony

But

Midsummer's

good.

Mike

No,

I'm

talking

more

about

like.

Tony

But

is

it

sci

fi?

Like,

because

there's

a

part

where

she.

Steve

I

would

call

it

horror

fantasy,

but.

Tony

She'S

calling

him

through

the

wall

and

he's

like

sweating

and

I

don't

know

if

it's

affecting

him

or,

you

know,

if

there's

some

sort

of,

you

know,

religious

science

fiction

going

on

there.

Yeah,

I

was

confused,

bud.

Steve

You

got

any

takes

on

these

two?

Bud

I

mean,

Close

Encounters,

let's

face

it,

it's

a

long

ass

movie,

but

it's

an

iconic

movie.

There's

a

lot

of

really

good

stuff

in

there.

But

you're

right,

Steve.

You're

right,

Tony.

There's

a

lot

of,

like,

a

lot

of

slowness.

Slowness

to

the

movie.

Wicker

Man.

Tony.

Nailed

it.

It's

weird.

It's.

It's

just

a

weird

movie.

I

mean,

at

least

Nicholas

Cage

made

it

look

at

least

a

little

cooler.

But

I

don't

know.

Tony

Close

Encounters,

all

the

people

that

got

touched

or

have

the

sight

of

Devil's

Peak,

you

know,

there's

like

a

handful

of

people,

all

of

them

are

drawing

pictures

of

Devil's

Peak,

but

not

Richard

Strife.

He

has

to

build

a

model

of

something

completely

incorrect

and

then

break

it.

And

then

all

of

a

sudden,

now

it's

correct,

which

I

thought

was

weird.

Oh,

now

it's

right.

Now

it

all

makes

sense.

But

everyone

else

is

drawing

pictures

of

Devil's

Peak.

He's

drawing

like

a

mountain

with

a

pin

top

and

then

he

breaks

it

on

accident.

Now

it's

correct.

You

know,

didn't

really

fit

that

plot.

Steve

Narrative

if

some

of

it

felt

a

little

ham

fisted

and

coincidental.

Yeah,

I

did

love

that

scene,

though,

where

he's

like

kind

of

going

nuts

and

he's

like

throwing

dirt

and

plants

through

the.

Tony

It's

the

best

scene.

Steve

Yeah,

that.

Tony

That

is

the

best

scene

in

the

movie.

Steve

And

then

he

like

steals

the.

The

fence

around

his

neighbor's

duck

pond.

And

it's

just.

It's

that.

That

scene

is.

Tony

I

don't

think

she

had

the

permits

for

those

ducks

anyways.

Steve

All

right,

we

ready

to

vote?

All

right,

I'll

start

it

off.

And

my

vote

is

the

Wicker

Man.

Bud

Close

Encounters.

Steve

Tony

Close.

Mike

I'm

gonna

say

Close

Encounters.

Steve

Man,

that

sucks.

Mike

You

wanted

that

15.

Steve

I

did.

I.

I

thought

that

we

were

gonna

get

it

too,

by

the

way

the

conversation

was

going.

And

y'all

disappoint

me.

I

also

wanted

to.

Mike

I

did,

too.

Steve

I

wanted

y'all

to

go

watch

the

Wicker

man

so

you

can

feel

that

uncomfortableness.

Tony

I

watched

it.

I

don't

need

to

watch

it

again.

Mike

I

did,

too,

Steve.

I

honestly,

I

was

kind

of

thinking,

oh,

well,

I'm

just

gonna

say

it.

Maybe

just

to

give

it

like

a

four

one

or

something.

Three,

two.

Steve

All

right,

so

advancing

for

the

south

bracket,

we

have

the

Godfather,

Young

Frankenstein,

Patton,

Apocalypse

Now,

Escape

from

Alcatraz,

Disney's

Robin

Hood,

Chinatown,

and

Close

Encounters

of

the

Third

Kind.

Couple

of

three

upsets,

so

I

was

pretty.

Pretty

eventful.

Pretty

eventful.

To

close

out

our

episode

today,

we'll

do

some

Q

and

A.

I

only

got

one

question.

I

am

allowed

a

little

piece

from

Foolish

Questions.

Mike

Clear

your

mind

of

question.

Steve

I'll

answer

the

question,

see

if

we

can

get

through

one

or

two

questions

here.

I'm

going

to

start

off

with

what

is

a

sports

movie

mistake

so

egregious

that

it

always

takes

you

out

of

the

movie?

Tony

That's

easy.

You

know,

as

much

as

I

love

Mighty

Ducks,

you

know,

the

Flying

V

just

breaks

all

the

rules

of

hockey.

It

doesn't

make

sense.

I

love

Mighty

Ducks,

too.

It's

just.

You

can't

do

that.

Steve

Aaron

always

gets

pissed

about

that,

too.

That

and

the

knuckle

puck.

He's

like,

you

can't

do

that.

Mike

Isn't

it,

like,

offsides,

like,

right

away?

Tony

Yes,

it's

offsides

for

sure.

Mike

Right

away.

Offside.

Bud

If

it

was

me,

it

would

be

Billy

Madison.

Tony

That's

a

sports

movie.

Or

are

you

talking

about

business

ethics?

Bud

No.

Steve

Are

you

thinking

Happy

Gilmore?

Bud

Thank

you.

Steve

What's

your

Happy

Gilmore

reason?

Because

that's

one

of

mine.

Bud

Oh,

okay.

Well,

I

mean,

look

at

how

he

plays

golf.

I

mean,

it's.

It's.

Mike

Well,

no,

you

can

actually

golf

like

that.

I

have.

Bud

Well,

yes,

but

who

really

does

that

professionally?

That's

the

point.

Mike

I

think

the.

I

think

the

biggest

blunder

in

that

movie

is

the.

Is

the

putter.

Like,

I

don't.

I

don't

think

that's

a

legal.

Steve

The

hockey

stuff.

Bud

Yep.

Mike

And

the

way

he.

And

the

way

he

hits

it,

like,

there's.

That

ball

would

have

flown

out

of

that

greens.

See.

Steve

Well,

mine

is

the

fact

that

he

gets

hit

by

a

Volkswagen

on

the

fairway.

Mike

Yeah,

yeah.

Bud

Like,

out

of

nowhere.

Mike

365

more

days

of

pocket

trials.

Steve

You

think

they

would

have,

you

know,

I

don't

know,

stopped

the

tournament

at

that

point?

You

know,

let's

put

a

pause

on

this.

No,

no,

just

walk

it

off.

He

got

really

hit

by

a

Volkswagen.

Mike

I

know.

I.

I

know

it's

not

a

movie,

but

I

will

say

this.

The.

Originally,

I

didn't

finish

the

series

because

of

it,

but

then

I

went

back

to.

It

was

Friday

Night

Lights.

He

breaks

his

neck

going

for

the

tackle

in,

like,

the

second

or

third

episode.

And

I

was

like,

there's

no

way

that

that

kid

would

have

made

a

tackle.

And

first

of

all,

broke

his

neck

on

that

tackle.

The

quarterback

on

a

pick

six.

Like,

it.

It

infuriated

me

as

a

guy

who.

Like,

it's

somebody

who

ever

played

football.

There's.

It

would

never

happen.

And

I

stopped.

I

stopped

watching

the

show

because

of

it.

And.

And

then

I

obviously

went

back

to.

Tony

It's

a

pretty

good

show.

Mike

Enjoy

the

show.

No,

it's.

It's.

It's

literally

one

of

my

favorite

shows

of

all

time.

Like,

I

love

that

show,

but

that.

It

was.

The

football

aspect

of

it

was

just

kind

of

like

a

lot

of

football

movies.

Tony

What's

the

guy's

name?

The

coach.

I

can't.

Steve

The

Billy

Bob

Thornton.

Tony

No,

from

this,

from

the

series.

He's

talking

from

the

series.

He

was

in

We

Are

Mar.

No,

not.

We

Are

Marshall.

He

was

in

Bloodline.

He's

actually.

Mike

He

was

pretty

good.

Tony

He

was

in

Waffle.

Mike

Netflix.

He

was

like,

Netflix

is

like

second

show.

Second

or

third

show.

Tony

It's

a

good

movie.

So

to

talk

about.

You

played

football?

I

play

golf.

I'm.

Right

now

I'm

probably

about

a

two

or

three

handicap.

The.

The

problem

with

Happy

Gilmore

is

I

don't

care

how

far

you

can

hit

it.

There's

20

other

different,

you

know,

clubs

in

your

back.

You

know,

you

can't

just

hit

driver

and

putter.

It

just

doesn't

work

like

that.

It

doesn't

matter

how

accurate

you

are,

you

know,

oh

man,

he

can

hit

it.

What

if

he

hits

one

bad

shot,

you

know,

and

they

do

show

it

later

in

the

montage.

He

hits

the

ball

out

of

a

sand,

like,

oh,

now

he

can

hit

the

ball

out

of

the

sand.

All

of

a

sudden,

you

know,

there's

a

whole

linear

bunch

of

shots

that

you

can

hit

from

golf.

You

just

can't

drive

it

to

the

green

and

putt.

It

just.

It

doesn't

work.

Steve

And

if

you

think

about

it,

you

know,

he,

his

whole

thing

was

he

could

drive

the

green,

you

know,

400

plus

yards,

but

he

couldn't.

His

short

game

and

putting

were.

He

couldn't

do

anything

after

that.

But

then

once

he,

once

he

fixes

that

at

the

end,

he

should

be,

you

know,

hitting

every

hole

in

two,

two

shots.

Tony

Not

even

close.

You're

27

under

every

round.

Steve

Yeah.

So

how

is,

how

is

he

on

pace

with

shooter

McGavin

at

the

end?

Tony

Shooter's

not

good.

Mike

Right.

Well,

because

he

got

hurt.

Tony

Happy

look

out.

Mike

Was

like

every

football

movie.

The

football

in

it

is

like

Varsity

Blues.

I

mean,

I

get

it,

it's

a

high

school

movie,

but.

Bud

Oh

my

gosh,

that

was

a

great

movie.

Mike

25

year

old

people

like

playing

football,

but

like

the

way

the,

like

goes

down

in

it,

like

it.

Even

the

like

top

tier

Texas

football

like

that

never

looks

like

that.

Like

the

Replacements,

Friday

nights.

Tony

The

movie's

pretty

damn

accurate.

Mike

Well,

it

is

because

it's

based

off

the

book.

Like

they.

That

is

correct.

Like

the

way

they

did

that.

But

the

series

is.

Tony

No,

yeah.

Mike

You

know,

but

I'm,

I'm

talking

like,

I'm

talking

like

replacements.

I'm

talking

like

any

given

Sunday,

like.

Bud

Not

another

good

one.

Mike

You

know

what

I

mean?

Tony

Like

I

like

me

some

Shane

Falco.

Mike

And

is

what's

the.

Is

it

any

of

Sunday

or

what's

the

One

that

he's

like

running

and

he

shoots

everybody.

Steve

That's

the

last

boy

scout.

Bud

Oh

yeah,

yeah,

yeah.

Steve

Not

every

movie

can

be

necessary

roughness.

Mike

Yeah.

Girl

kicker.

No.

Welcome

to

football.

Kathy

Ireland

alone

like

90s

cafe.

Steve

Yeah.

Mike

What

a

great

that

movie.

Now

that's

funny.

Like

if

you're

making

fun

of

it,

great.

But

if

you're

trying

to

make

it

realistic

like

remember

the

Titans.

And

I

know

it's

like

based

off

a

true

story

but

the

football

in

it

is

just.

Tony

It's

bad.

That

it

is.

Yeah,

it's

bad.

Steve

All

right,

well

let's

go

one

more

question

here

before

we

call

it

a

night.

What's

a

movie

quote

or

meme

that

you

constantly

use

in

everyday

life?

I'm

going

to

go

ahead

and

throw

mine

out

there.

It's

from,

from

don't

be

a

menace

to

South

Central

while

drinking

your

juice

in

the

hood.

Mike

Steve.

Are

you

talking

about

one

of

my

top

five

favorite

movies

of

all

time?

Steve

Anytime

we

can

at

work

or

home

or

wherever.

I've

done

this

with

Bud

and

Aaron.

We'll

just

pop

in

message.

Love

it.

Mike

Message,

message,

message.

But

a

fucking

great

God

that

movies

next

year.

I

think

it's

30th

anniversary.

Steve

Is

it

really?

Mike

Yeah,

for

the

20

for

the

20th

anniversary.

Me

and

Kevin

Wilson

watched

it

and

drank

40s

at

my

house.

And

we

tweeted

out

to

the

Waynes

brothers

and

like

they

responded

back

to

Kevin.

Steve

That

is

such

an

Illinois

valley

thing

to

do.

Mike

It

was

like,

hey,

how

about

two

middle

aged

white

guys

watching

movie

about

being

in

the

hood?

Man,

that's

tough.

Because

like

I,

I

quote

a

lot

of

Tommy

Boy

in

Wayne's

World

and

even,

well,

let's

just

say

for

today

like

we

went

to

Costco

and

Marissa

was

her

first

time

there

and

she

was

telling

everybody

at

work

she's

like

going

to

Costco.

Like

we

have

swim

lessons

going

to

Costco.

I'm

like,

so

it

was

a

nice

little

Saturday,

you

know

Frank

to

take

welcome

to

coffee.

The

older

you

get,

the

more

it's.

Tony

Like,

I

thought

you

were

gonna

say

that.

Welcome

to

Costco.

Steve

Welcome

to

Costco.

I

love

you.

Bud

Funny

you

mention

it

because

like

mine

is,

it's

got

electrolytes.

Mike

That's.

It

got

electrolytes.

That's

on

a

grass

grow.

Tony

I

say

it,

you

know,

all

the

time.

Anytime

I,

you

know,

at

work

I

see

someone

drinking

anything,

I'll

just

whatever

they're

drinking,

it

doesn't

matter.

I'll

just

be

like

Big

Gulp,

huh?

All

right,

see

you

later.

Mike

I

will

say

this.

I

do

quote

that

like

anytime

Talking

about

the

Rocky

Mountains

or

anything.

You're

like

that

John

Denver's

full

of,

man.

Steve

I'll

quote

anything.

Also

Ace

Ventura

all

the

time.

Or

Ace

Ventura

style,

you

know?

Mike

You

know.

Oh,

yeah.

Steve

That

is

not

the

right

way

to

do

it.

You

know,

just

in

that

delivery

or.

Or

I'll

call

my.

My

son.

You

know,

little

equinsu

ocho.

Mike

What?

You

know

what?

I

quote

from

that

one

a

lot

is

the

mom

Einhorn's

mom.

What

a

sportsnet,

huh?

So,

like

anytime,

like,

anytime

there's

sports.

Because

Marissa's

like,

she

loves.

She.

She

loved

me,

so

she

deals

with

my

sports.

And

then

she'll

just

be

like.

I'll

be

like,

what

a

sports.

Not

hot.

Steve

That's

good.

Tony

Reed

doesn't

watch

these

yet,

does

he?

Steve

No,

he

wants

to

be

on

one.

Tony

Well,

I

play

video

games

a

lot.

And

when.

When

people,

they'll.

A

lot

of

my

friends

will

just

say.

And

I'll

just

go

right

into.

Let's

see,

who

could

come

back

with

it.

Mike

You.

You,

You.

You're

cool.

You.

I

don't

even

speak

Spanish.

Bud

I

think

I

got

the

black

lung.

Mike

Pop.

I

think

you

could

just

sit

and

like.

Do

I

though.

Even

though

it's

not

a

movie.

Like,

I

think

Steve.

Like,

I

think

we.

I

was

telling

you,

like,

Marissa

and

I

always

do

the.

The

coffee

commercial

with

Farley.

And

it's

like,

how

are

you

feeling

about

it?

Angry.

Yeah.

So

like,

that's

like,

we'll

be

driving

in

the

car

and

I'll

be

like.

And

she'll

be

like,

how

you

doing?

I'm

like,

angry.

Bud

I'm

surprised

none

of

you

guys

used

any

Zoolander

references.

Mike

Is.

Steve

It's

a

walk

off.

Mike

So

my

finger.

My

back.

Missile

will

say,

my

back

hurts.

I

go,

now

your

fingers

kind

of

hurt

because

you

pulled

landscaping

duty.

He's

supposed

to

be

in

the

new

one

too.

Steve

I

like

to

go

all

Hitchhiker's

Guide

and,

oh

yeah,

Alan

Rickman's

Android.

You

know,

he's

like,

life.

Don't

talk

to

me

about

life.

Mike

And

then

he

cheated

on.

They

almost

cheated

on

his

wife

in

love,

actually.

Tony

Or.

Steve

Or

whenever

I'm

talking

to

Aaron

out

of.

We'll

randomly

just

yell

out

Magrathea

for

no

reason

whatsoever.

Magathea.

Bud

Remember

the

one

that

we

always

used

to

do?

Walk

by

each

other

and

go,

doctor,

doctor,

daughter.

Steve

Spies

like

us.

Yeah.

Bud

Huh.

Good

times.

Steve

All

right,

I

think

that

is

it.

I

think

we've.

We've

rambled

enough

for

today.

Any

final

thoughts

on

today's

events,

gentlemen?

Bud

Went

exactly

how

I

thought

it

would.

Mike

Not

me

lowercase

t

time

for

bed.

Tony

I

don't

even

remember

who

won.

Steve

I

thought

we

were

gonna

get

network

in

there,

but

in

wicker

man.

But

I'm

okay.

Tony

I'm

okay.

Mike

Network

was

my

fault.

Steve

I

am

not

as

upset

as

I

was

about

the

sting.

Mike

It

felt

like

this

bracket

was

pretty.

Like,

I

kind

of

felt

like

how

it

was

gonna

go,

like,

I'm

with

you,

Steve.

I

kind

of

thought

network

was

gonna

get

there,

but,

like,

I

was

on.

Steve

The

fence

with

a

lot.

But

that's

the

whole

point

of

the

panel,

you

know,

just

because

I'm

on

the

fence

doesn't

mean

the

panel's

on

the

fence.

Tony

Well,

I

got

one

wrong.

Mike

I

voted.

I

just

voted

for

that.

I.

When

I

filled

out

the

bracket,

I

just

filled

it

out

the

way

I

want.

Tony

Exactly.

Mike

Not

like

how.

Steve

All

right,

well,

thank

you

everyone

for

listening

and

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next

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Bud

Good

Enough.

Mike

A

podcast

from

the

Sidereal

Media

Group.

Bud

Back

to

you,

anchors.

Mike

Message.

Tony

Steve

can

cut

this.

I

don't

like

either

one

of

them.

Bud

So

I've

been

chatting

with

AI

Jamal.

Mike

I'm

just

getting

jazzed

for

the

next

round.

Steve

She

just

texted

me

the

emergency

notice

that

she

got,

you

know,

telling

us

to

take

shelter.

Mike

Oh,

boy,

what

a

sports

night,

huh's

here.

Tony

I'm

so

tired.

Mike

We

get

up.

At

first

I

thought

they'd

handed

me

the

wrong

dossier.

I

couldn't

believe

they

wanted

this

man

dead.

Third

generation

West

Point,

top

of

his

class,

Korea,

airborne,

about

a

thousand

decorations,

etc,

etc.

I

left

you

in

Wall

Street.

Message.